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Shooter Home away from home Joined: 14-Mar-2006 Posts: 517	Posted: 2007-03-28 00:48 We all know that Aramith make both balls but I have heard different (truths) Can anyone please tell me if they have weighed, PRO-TV aramith balls AND PRO-TV brunswick Centennials. If I don't get an answer soon I'm gonna spend �5 and get a digital scale! lol. Also, maybe they were different a few years ago. Mine are not TV new ones, and maybe 5 or 6 years old. Is this relevant? Let me know Guys! Jon. ----------------- Profile Quote
smellycat Not too shy to talk Joined: 16-Mar-2006 Posts: 32 From: Connecticut,U.S.A	Posted: 2007-03-28 00:50 Just use what they use on the Pro Tours,competions etc Profile Quote
Shooter Home away from home Joined: 14-Mar-2006 Posts: 517	Posted: 2007-03-28 00:57 On 2007-03-28 00:50 , smellycat Wrote: !!! QUOTE !!! Just use what they use on the Pro Tours,competions etc BRILLIANT ADVICE!!!!!!!!! They all use the same then. LOL. ----------------- Profile Quote
PC Official Pro9 Tipster! Joined: 14-Mar-2006 Posts: 780 From: Leeds	Posted: 2007-03-28 01:37 I have been advised that they all weigh the same but...........if you have ever read a book called "upscale one pocket" then you would realise that every ball in the set will weigh a slightly different amount and will actually be a slightly different size and some will be a more perfect sphere than others but you need some pretty fancy equipment to measure this. Your �5 scales might not be up to the task. I would buy the TV centennials as they look a lot nicer.......in fact they are gonna be my next purchase!!!! (and possibly a set of ipt balls for posterity) ----------------- [ This message was edited by: PC on 2007-03-28 01:39 ] Profile Quote
Shooter Home away from home Joined: 14-Mar-2006 Posts: 517	Posted: 2007-03-28 02:15 On 2007-03-28 01:37 , PC Wrote: !!! QUOTE !!! I have been advised that they all weigh the same but...........if you have ever read a book called "upscale one pocket" then you would realise that every ball in the set will weigh a slightly different amount and will actually be a slightly different size and some will be a more perfect sphere than others but you need some pretty fancy equipment to measure this. Your �5 scales might not be up to the task. I would buy the TV centennials as they look a lot nicer.......in fact they are gonna be my next purchase!!!! (and possibly a set of ipt balls for posterity) Very, very good point. And I may buy some IPT balls as well! (they may become a collectors item sooner rather than later!) ----------------- Profile Quote
TheWizard Home away from home Joined: 18-Mar-2006 Posts: 823	Posted: 2007-03-28 02:25 There isn't much difference between the Aramiths and the Brunswick Centennials, I think that the centennials are made to slightly higher spec, then Aramith's own brand, but these specs are the spec that Brunswick have required the manufacturer, Saluc, to have the ball set made too There are 2 versions of Centennials, in terms of quality, there's the standard and premium quality sets, the standard are as good a quality as Aramith "Premium" sets, and the the premuim quality Brunswicks are a slightly better quality ball, than Super Aramith Pro sets The best thing that I would suggest is, if at all possible, and time permitting, go to a supply store and litterally hand pick your own ball set, it may sound tedious, just for buying a set of balls, but it's like PC has said, many ball sets have varying weights and sphericity between each individual ball, and the way I see it is, if you're going to buy a good set of ivories, then you might as well get your monies worth and try to get as close to a equally and fully match set as possible If I was going to ever open a pool room, and I was ordering supplies for when holding tournaments, I would happily go out of my way, to try and get as many equally weighed and meausured ball sets as I could, Heck, I'd even buy the proper equipment for measuring the weight and sphericity, or if I need be, I would contact Saluc directly and have perfectly matching sets made especially , simply because as a player, I understand how much the quality of the wquipment can make, even the most minute differences can really mean the difference of either player winning or losing a rack, it really can be that much of a difference, and I feel that if a player is going to be playing in a tournament, they should really have the very best of equpiment to play on, including good, clean and as close to perfectly matched balls sets as possible I would easily prefer centennials over Super Aramith Pro's every time, because they generally roll that little bit more accurately, than the Super Aramith sets Willie Profile Quote
RACKRUNNER21 Home away from home Joined: 19-Sep-2006 Posts: 862 From: Bristol	Posted: 2007-03-28 07:59 if you search Az some people sometimes do the measuring for you like they do with Predator shafts but they are quite rare, they go and make sure the ball weight and size are equal but charge a little more for them because of this. Profile Quote
TheWizard Home away from home Joined: 18-Mar-2006 Posts: 823	Posted: 2007-03-28 10:00 It's great to hear that there are people that have that service, because it is only fair that if you're buying a new set of ivories for your new table at home, to practice for tournaments, or if you're a tournament director, looking to get the best possible equipment, then to me, it makes more sense to invest that little bit extra, to make sure that you're getting exactly what you would expect to get for your money, both as a customer and as a player It's the same as tables, and cloth, we all know that Diamond Smart Tables, and Brunswick GC4's/Metro/Centurion tables and Sam K-Steel, are the best around, and the same goes for simonis, even when you're picking out a cue stick, you're naturally gonna want to get the best possible cue stick for your green, to help you play to the best that you can, bnoth in practice and in competition And so, to me, it just doesn't make sense to not want to take the time to make sure that when you're investing in a good quality set of spheres, that you really do get the very best that you can for your money In fact, it may seem a bit weird of an idea, but it would be a good service to have for the Pro9 Shop, if Big Dave and the crew were able to get hold of the right equipment, and have sets that are specially hand picked and matched sets , but unstead of just offering Super Aramith Pro sets, why not offer sets of Centennials too, in both regular and TV versions as well I know that if there was anyone in the UK that was able to do this, it would be a worth while service to player and tournament directors alike, because it would increase not only the standard of play, but also give the players that little bit more accurate playing conditions, and allow for better racking, etc How about it Big Dave? Willie Profile Quote
Destroyer Home away from home Joined: 14-Mar-2006 Posts: 530	Posted: 2007-03-28 10:17 On 2007-03-28 02:25 , TheWizard Wrote: !!! QUOTE !!! There isn't much difference between the Aramiths and the Brunswick Centennials, I think that the centennials are made to slightly higher spec, then Aramith's own brand, but these specs are the spec that Brunswick have required the manufacturer, Saluc, to have the ball set made too There are 2 versions of Centennials, in terms of quality, there's the standard and premium quality sets, the standard are as good a quality as Aramith "Premium" sets, and the the premuim quality Brunswicks are a slightly better quality ball, than Super Aramith Pro sets The best thing that I would suggest is, if at all possible, and time permitting, go to a supply store and litterally hand pick your own ball set, it may sound tedious, just for buying a set of balls, but it's like PC has said, many ball sets have varying weights and sphericity between each individual ball, and the way I see it is, if you're going to buy a good set of ivories, then you might as well get your monies worth and try to get as close to a equally and fully match set as possible If I was going to ever open a pool room, and I was ordering supplies for when holding tournaments, I would happily go out of my way, to try and get as many equally weighed and meausured ball sets as I could, Heck, I'd even buy the proper equipment for measuring the weight and sphericity, or if I need be, I would contact Saluc directly and have perfectly matching sets made especially , simply because as a player, I understand how much the quality of the wquipment can make, even the most minute differences can really mean the difference of either player winning or losing a rack, it really can be that much of a difference, and I feel that if a player is going to be playing in a tournament, they should really have the very best of equpiment to play on, including good, clean and as close to perfectly matched balls sets as possible I would easily prefer centennials over Super Aramith Pro's every time, because they generally roll that little bit more accurately, than the Super Aramith sets Willie jesus Wullie u need to get a life! Profile Quote
Riggers Home away from home Joined: 30-Mar-2006 Posts: 4454 From: Barnsley (centre of the universe)	Posted: 2007-03-28 10:29 Willie, if specialist equipment is needed to detect these minute differences in shape and weight how the heck is hand picking your ball sets going to help? My view is that the centennials are the nicer ball but there's not much in it between these and super aramith TV pro cup. I prefer to play with the latter because that's what we play with in almost every tournament. I also like the red spotted white and the last set of centennials I had did not come with this. I find the difference in quality very negligible and not worth bothering about. Unless you can say that all the equipment you will be using is absolutely flawless it's not going to make the slightest bit of difference between those 2 ball sets. [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2007-03-28 10:35 ] Profile Quote
RACKRUNNER21 Home away from home Joined: 19-Sep-2006 Posts: 862 From: Bristol	Posted: 2007-03-28 10:37 actually riggers some people do feel that even 000.1 of centimeter can make a difference, i'm not with these people as i personally feel the difference isn't that noticeable but some people are picky, and they hand pick them and take a measuring tool and scales and hand pick every ball from mulitpal sets of balls so each ball is the same weight and size [ This message was edited by: RACKRUNNER21 on 2007-03-28 10:53 ] Profile Quote
TheWizard Home away from home Joined: 18-Mar-2006 Posts: 823	Posted: 2007-03-28 10:42 Point well taken, but what I mean by "Hand picking", means making 1x properly matched set of balls, from a number of new sets, but that have been weighed and measured I know that there are some players that have done this before, and it is something worth giving some thought to at least As reguards the differences between centennials and Pro Cup sets, is in deed minimal, but still a difference nonetheless Me personally, I'm not that picky, because when I go to a tournament or to the pool rall, I just get a rack of balls and start playing , but if I was ever running a tournament, then I would be a little bit more picky about getting decent quality and properly matched ball sets for the players and if players are willing to pay an entrance fee, then they should at least be able to get the best of ball sets to use in the tournament Willie [ This message was edited by: TheWizard on 2007-03-28 10:46 ] Profile Quote
The_Teach Home away from home Joined: 15-Mar-2006 Posts: 184	Posted: 2007-03-28 11:05 To offer this service in the UK would be too costly for retailers due to the comparitively low number of American Pool ball sets sold in the UK. To keep stock of that quantity costs a lot of money and what happens to all the unwanted or unmatched balls? We would have to set up a new website called ballsreunited.co.uk I think we just have to take it that nothing can be exact and just get on and play with the ball set that we in front of us. Profile Quote
RACKRUNNER21 Home away from home Joined: 19-Sep-2006 Posts: 862 From: Bristol	Posted: 2007-03-28 11:31 i know what your saying to set something up like that in the uk will be near impossible, but in U.S it is possible and all the unmatched balls get put back and they are then matched with other unmatched balls. What you say about taking nothing can be exact well's thats the reason why people waste time in measuring each ball for size and weight to make sure they are exact. Profile Quote
Riggers Home away from home Joined: 30-Mar-2006 Posts: 4454 From: Barnsley (centre of the universe)	Posted: 2007-03-28 13:21 I think there are some seriously unwell people here are you seriously telling me you can tell the difference between one ball set and another when they weigh about a millionth of a gram different! Don't talk rubbish! [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2007-03-28 13:22 ] Profile Quote
RACKRUNNER21 Home away from home Joined: 19-Sep-2006 Posts: 862 From: Bristol	Posted: 2007-03-28 13:47 dunno who that was aimed at Riggers if anybody but i don't think you can tell the difference between the balls as i said in all my posts people are wasting their time doing this as you cannot notice at all imo, just letting you know what people are doing in U.S [ This message was edited by: RACKRUNNER21 on 2007-03-28 13:52 ] Profile Quote
PC Official Pro9 Tipster! Joined: 14-Mar-2006 Posts: 780 From: Leeds	Posted: 2007-03-28 13:52 The difference in ball size (within a set i'm not comparing ball types) can be easily seen when racking all fifteen balls in the triangle...............if when you are squeezing the balls forwards try moving the rack and if any balls roll this is due to a gap try re-ordering the balls and you might find that they will not roll and will all remain frozen as you push the rack forwards. This is purely due to size difference between the balls. ----------------- [ This message was edited by: PC on 2007-03-28 13:54 ] Profile Quote
BigDave Moderators Joined: 13-Mar-2006 Posts: 11008 From: England	Posted: 2007-03-28 14:50 I've got some interesting stats to add to this thread when I get home. I paid �80 for a seriously accurate set of scales, just for weighing balls, and I've measured most of the popular makes, both in pristine condition and worn, and the results are fascinating reading (IF YOU'RE A POOL NERD LIKE ME). Profile Quote
TheSurgeon Home away from home Joined: 13-Mar-2006 Posts: 529 From: Leeds	Posted: 2007-03-28 15:41 Go Riggers!!! Profile Quote