9-Ball
Topic: Golden Breaks-Rule Change Needed!!!!!

Just got back from playing in Stafford and can say that I am really annoyed in the manner that I lost. In my final match to qualify the guy made two golden breaks in a row to swing the match right round. I think there needs to be a rule change that could be implemented on the BPPPA tour, I would propose one of the following:

1. Opponents racking balls for breaker like done on Euro-Tour, the breaker could then check the rack if they wanted. This would not completely eliminate golden breaks but would mean players couldn't complain as they had racked the balls themselves. This has been successful in the Euro-Tour.

2. Make it compulsory for non-breakers to inspect the rack before the break and again they wouldn't be able to complain about golden breaks as they had checked the rack.

3. Make all nines made off the break, be re-spotted, I dont think this is the right way to go but this is an option that would completely eliminate golden breaks.

4. Tables to be tapped and templated before tournaments to allow for easier racking.

I hope to hear everyone's opinions on this and would also like to hear Ted's views on this. If golden breaks were eliminated, it would take a huge slice of luck out of the game and allow for more skill to be employed in winning. I do think it is very important for this issue to be addressed because it is becoming all too frequent on the tour. :-|

Oponents Racking the balls would be best i think, there are players who know how to inrease there chances of potting the 9 of the break for sure.
By making you rack your openents would stop that blatant cheating.


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Playing Cue: Schon CX48
Break/Jump Cue: Bunjee Blaster

Get everyone to chip in for a sardo tight rack!

I bought one for our league up here and it only cost 50 quid including shipping (from a dealer in USA), so its not that much really.

There has been a lengthy thread on here recently which covered all of this after Mark Gray offered a re-rack in a BPPPA final after a golden break.

I would hate for some of my opponents to be racking for me as they patently have no idea what they are doing.

sardo racks are a waste of time!!!!

The thing with opponents racking your balls is that you can check the rack after they have racked them. This way you make sure your satisifed before you break off.

Sardo racks aren't a waste of time if the table has been tapped.

BPPPA had an event at Replay in Manchester last year and they tapped the tables, and I can't remember there being 1 golden break.

So i propose this..

Sardo Tight Rack - Tapped Tables - Alternate Break (because with a tapped table you can get wingball after wingball after wingball) - Opponent racks your balls!

On 2006-07-30 11:53 , cusack_147 Wrote:

A little optimistic I feel. What if your opponent has no clue how to rack the balls properly, even assuming that they want to in the first place? A recipy for unrest I think. I could be there for several days before I'm happy with some player's racking, given some of the racks I've seen them give themselves!

I have to agree with RT on this, I have also been in many tournaments, where the opponent racking that balls and been given some of the most horrible racks imaginable, but it's mostly been because of... A) The guy doesn't know how to really rack the balls right, B) the racks used are those trashy, cheap fool plastic racks that are better off being thrown into a volcano and melted into non exsistence, C) I know of this to have happened that the opponent is unobviosly, but deliberately giving a bad rack to increase his own chances of getting to the table, D) the cloth on the table is old and/or cnever cleaned and is impossible to get a good rack with, or E) The table has been tapped, but too heavily as this happens more often than not.

The idea of having the 9 respotted if it goes in on the break, is just not a rule that makes sense for 9ball becuse like every other shot including the jump shot, it is a part of the game that has been that way since it was first played and so it doesn't seem right to change it now

The best idea that I can think of is to have a team of referees available for each tournament and all games be racked by the referee, that way, neither player can blame the other for a bad or unfair racking because the ref will be doing the racking for both players, with each player having the ability to check the rack before they break

There is no reason why the BPPPA or EPT or whichever tour there is, couldn't have a team or a designated group of referees to over see each match, including racking each game, etc , even if there was a small increase in the membership fees each year, it would be worth it to have that money to go towards having a team of knowledgeable officials that would be happy to ref

Let me know your thoughts on that guys

Willie

Willie, you are living in a dreamworld!! I don't know about the UK but referees over here get paid £50 per day plus travel expenses plus hotel expenses.
D you think that the BPPPA or any other organisation is going to pay that sort of money just for someone to rack the balls?
The best way is to use the EPBF template and tap the tables, OK you are almost certainly going to make a ball on the break most of the time but that can be overcome by alternate breaks.

cusack 147,.,.,. their should have been a referee.,.,.,. where i come from when a golden break occurs an option is given where a re-rack should be done or a the 9 ball goes back on the table foot spot,.,.,. and the player is who made the the golden break is required a run the rack no matter the rack is difficult...... also in some local tournaments the break box is applied allowing more cue ball control skills and more strategies baecause different patterns caused by the break box. tc

I agree with Mala! Tapping and Alternate Breaking..

But not all clubs will allow the BPPPA to tap their tables. And the tour can't be inconsistant!

Danny

Hi cusack, at Stafford my match to qualify involved me goldening twice in a row so im betting your post relates to our match!!!

Firstly let me apologise again obviously a good bit of fortune for anyone to do that, of course I would like to point out neither were a 'straight in the corner'! The 1st was kicked in the corner by a couple of balls, the second in the middle.

I would of taken a leaf out of Mark Gray's book and offered a re-rack if they had gone straight in as its s**t when it happens against you, and theres always that sense it may have been deliberate, perhaps they should bring in a re-rack if the 9 reaches the corner unassisted. Other than that luck will always even out and is of course, sadly a part of anyones game.

Having said that, I did feel guilty still and I think I owe u a pint cusack!!!!

No problem mate, it was just a bit frustrating cause I'd played so well all day and I felt as though I could do some damage on the Sunday, basically it wasn't the way I wanted to lose. You know its not your day when it happens two in a row, lol!! See you in Solihull or Harrow.

well u dont need the sardo rack if the table is tapped!!!!

the sardo rack will stop the tapped table altering over time.

but if you use a sardo, then the table needs to be tapped i think.

On 2006-07-31 08:27 , malaguista Wrote:

The BPPPA has recently had their offical referee's training course/tests, etc, so why don't they have it that each certified referee is asked to go to the next ranking event to referee during the tournament for their first event as graduates or at least ask other players, that is completely neutral to whatever match it is, to referee, to give those certified refs some starting experience as being certified, it is certainly worth thinking about in some manner or another

The idea of Alternate breaks if for 8ball, just keep it like that, but I do think that a break box would be better

On the note of tapping a table, it's a good idea in 1 side, but on the other hand it actually damages the claoth, especially on the foot spot and increases the chances of someone who breaks heavily, of giving the snowball a flying lesson, tapping is alright if you're only doing once or twice, but it is easy to tap the rack too heavily and that's where the problems will only eventually get worse instead of better, at least that's what I've found from experience with tapping the rack area, but it's a matter of how it's done

Personally, I don't really mind either way what is sorted because if a guy gives me a bad rack or if there is more movement from the 9 than there should be with a frozen rack, then I'm gonna make sure that I check the rack constantly, till whoever the guy racking, gets it right , but everyone has their preferences

In the end of the day, the idea of respotting the yellow ribbon, if it sinks on the snap, would in my eyes, be a stupid rule because it just takes some of the character away from the game, that so many people liked about 9ball when they first started playing

please don't introduce the break box to 9 ball! people who have spent years mastering their break, constantly tweaking to get the one and wing ball each time. That's an art!

It's what 9 ball is about! Quick games!

we have covered this in aprevious forum however i will say again the main issue here is if the 9 does not drop but hangs over the pocket with an east combo for the non breaker do we also rerack?

i turned down a rerack on a golden break for this reason

in my next match i came to the table with the said easy combo

as long as we are trying to rack correctly what goes round comes round

let the loser rack if everyone is bothered but dont change a fundamental rule

firstly you cannot have a referee for every match,

secondly all that needs to be done is just tap the tables once each thus giving you the perfect rack each time,

this will last the whole two days and a week or two later the marks will be gone so then no complaints from rileys.

all this needs is for a couple of poeple to call the rileys head office, if there is no response the ted can take his tour to private clubs, ive said this b4 ted should go down the route of the euro tour and have set dates for each club he chooses on the same date every year that way players can plan their year ahead.