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indiana
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Posted: 2016-01-05 14:49
Hello Players 2016 Memberships are now being taken, for players that will play in any EPBF or WPA event they will need to be a member of the national federation any players that will compete in their first ever event will not need a membership but will do if they compete again the fee for membership is £150 and that is for one year January to December PROFESSIONAL MEMBERSHIP A direct personal membership that allows the player to participate in international events sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and/or World Confederation of Billiard Sports and/or World Pool Association and/or European Pocket Billiard Federation. If you would like any more information or to receive the payment information then please do not hesitate to contact me for further info at 07525237158 or you can email me at dickiesdoubles@yahoo.co.ukBest Regards Richard Jones
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cueman
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Posted: 2016-01-05 16:35
Didn't think BPF could still exist, Chairman Kurt Roos seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. Nothing that was promised at the time he took over has materialised. So I guess it just exists to extract money off players to help fund the EPBF then as predicted? -----------------  Andy Warden, GB9 - Authorised Pro9 forum advertiser/sponsor √ [ This message was edited by: cueman on 2016-01-05 17:03 ]
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markgray
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Posted: 2016-01-05 20:31
Andy - That is bang out of order!!!!!!!!
We as players were told by the EPBF a few years ago that if we did not have a National Federation then we would not be allowed to play Euro Tour Events or World events!!!! Every other nation has there own national federation so we had to comply and do the same, which myself Richard Jones Imran Majid Daryl Peach all helped to get up and running for the benefit of ALL British players.... The money that goes into the BPF fund goes towards a British players expenses that chooses to play in the European Championships
At end of day we are only doing what we been instructed to do, and to be fair when it was all explained to us how it all works it all made a lot of sense......
Mark " Granite " Gray
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cueman
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Posted: 2016-01-05 20:39
Mark, you know GB9's stance on the EPBF's bribery fees, they are illegal and players need to stand up against them.
Who did BPF send to EC's in 2015? Nobody. And in 2014 GB9 rankings were ignored and BPF selected players off their own backs.
Sorry but I have seen how any progress has been made by BPF since Kurt Roos took over presidency three years ago. I've had no contact from him in two years despite me trying multiple times.
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markgray
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Posted: 2016-01-05 20:47
Im not getting into a argument about this.. I have seen everything in black and white and everything that was explained to me imran richard daryl etc etc made sense...
Last year there was funds made availabe from BPF for a english player to go to the European Championships, but all English players declined to go or were busy doing something else....
Mark.
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cueman
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Posted: 2016-01-06 00:10
GB9 were not involved in any form of discussion regarding selection for 2015 EC's if we had of been we would have worked down our ranking list until we found available players, which is how it should work IMHO. If BPF were offering funding for this we would have found players stepping up to it no problem. Furthermore GB9 have re-introduced a ranking incentive for the official UK number 1 & 2 at the end of the 2016 season of £1000 and £500 respectively. We would of course preferred to have offered paid spots at the European Championships in 2017 to these players which we feel is more in-line with growing the sport in the UK, but unfortunately we no longer have the option to do this as the inactive BPF now hold the reigns. ----------------- Andy Warden, GB9 - Authorised Pro9 forum advertiser/sponsor √ [ This message was edited by: cueman on 2016-01-06 00:16 ]
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Nelly
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Posted: 2016-01-06 16:07
Hi guys before anyone starts I ain't jumping on anyone's band wagon so don't presume I am ,
First thing this bpf thing is all shite no offence to Ricardo or mark cos when you explained to us on eurotour fair enough and I understand your in same shoes as us but when you have to pay £150 to be able to play any eurotour wpa and so on as well as paying other stuff is out of order , us so called top amateurs don't see this chance to play in European championship if selected but what annoyed me more is mark replied to Andy to say BPF had funds available to send an English player to EC and all declined , did they , Is this just for you top dogs, well 'm sorry but I could count at least five or six other players, so called top amateurs who would of gladly gone to represent us
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Nelly
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Posted: 2016-01-06 16:12
Continued :- Doing something they love , they pay there money at beginning of the year for bpf and did they get asked to go to EC, bet not ,and if so where's the funds that's available left , this whole trash should be as it was at stanstead where numerous of us had a chance for pool masters qualifier, gb9 gets thrown under rug and everything we've done through out the year gaining ranking points to see how high we can get to you so called big boys counts for naff all sorry once again especially to mark cos I've no quarrels with him at all so please don't think I'm having a go [ This message was edited by: Nelly on 2016-01-06 16:39 ]
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tigger147
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Posted: 2016-01-06 22:20
IF BPF are the official GB Gov body linked to EPBF and WPA, what choice do you have, its pay and play or not pay and don't play above GB9 level. No one likes paying dues but whats the choice. [ This message was edited by: tigger147 on 2016-01-06 22:35 ]
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panther
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Posted: 2016-01-07 09:23
Totally agree with Nelly here.
The gb9 rankings should have been used to find the highest ranked willing player.
Without understanding the full details of the Bpf and what they do (except allow players to play) it is hard to comment on whether they need to exist.
If a federation is required who dictates the membership fee? Could this not be a nominal amount of say £1?
Where is the money raised from 2015 memberships?
I dont think pool is in a position where organisations can dictate these sort of things of players. It is not as if they are offering huge added money prize funds or anything special. No wonder the eurotour numbers (and prize money) is on the way down.
People wonder why pool doesnt thrive! The BPF could be a good thing but it all needs to be done properly and I would imagine its goal should be getting participation up in the UK.
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Nelly
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Posted: 2016-01-07 10:52
Sorry Tony but If BPF is the so called official GB governing body for pool in the UK why does it ignore our own national professional tour. Don't see BPF organising tournaments to encourage people to get to Europe and world stage events and you know what's even funnier BPF home page has GB9 logo on it but Andy wardens stated after numerous attempts to get hold of him and him not getting back to andy with in two year is a " joke " [ This message was edited by: Nelly on 2016-01-07 10:55 ]
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indiana
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Posted: 2016-01-07 12:48
first i agree with a few comments here but its not all that easy....
British players competed for several years without having a national federation until we were told we had to have one as other nations deemed this not right
it was all thrown together rather quickly between the players who were on the eurotour at the time, do you really think we knew what we were doing?
looking back we could have seeked advice from other resources but at the time our playing careers were in the balance, not just the players on the eurotour at the time but also future players
anyhow me managed to get this done and so now we have a federation that is recognised by the EPBF who in turn are recognised by the WPA who are then recognised by the IOC
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indiana
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Posted: 2016-01-07 13:03
thats one big positive right there so its a base to build on and obviously there are several hurdles to over come but we have one foot on the ladder
we cant tho move forward with people just guessing whats going on, my numer is the first post ring me and il answer your questions....
so far the only money coming in is through player memberships, each year out of this we have to pay a membership fee to the EPBF
in the account at the moment is £1259.55, this year we have to pay another membership fee to EPBF and thats why player membership fees are in place thats the only source of funds at this time
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cueman
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Posted: 2016-01-07 13:22
In case players don't know, President of the BPF (Kurt Roos) is also on the board of the EPBF. I'm sure there's nothing illegal in that but definitely a possible conflict of interest.
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markgray
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Posted: 2016-01-07 14:30
No offence taking Nelly...!  I was just 1 of a group of players along side Daryl Imran Richard Chris Karl Darren Phil that helped set BPF up as we was instructed to by EPBF, and they were instructed by IOC etc etc .... At end of day we only did this to allow the likes of Darren Karl Daryl to play all World events ( WPA ) and the rest of us to play on Euro Tour...
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cueman
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Posted: 2016-01-07 15:48
Like they would try and stop Darren, Karl or Daryl from playing world events anyway. Joke.
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Nelly
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Posted: 2016-01-07 16:00
I understand mark and I know how loyal you are to GB9 cos anywhere you go you wear the logo but surely something needs to give to sort this out surely you so called members or assessors of bpf must communicate with each other . Who decides who goes to where if a EC event is round the corner they possibly isn't a ranking system to decide that or is it just a decision from you assessors and if it is where's the right for the people paying there £150 at the beginning of the year to know . Surely there classed as members and must have a say in it At the end of the day the decision probably would be a pro like you lot but it's wrong to not have it go through everybody, you and us as members own the name bpf you are all classed as 1 [ This message was edited by: Nelly on 2016-01-07 16:02 ]
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cueman
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Posted: 2016-01-07 17:19
I have tried to get answers to some simple questions from Kurt but he has avoided every question put and says he will only answer if I fly out for a meeting with him. Read into that what you want guys. Unbelievable. ----------------- Andy Warden, GB9 - Authorised Pro9 forum advertiser/sponsor √ [ This message was edited by: cueman on 2016-01-07 17:21 ]
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TheMaharaja
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Posted: 2016-01-07 20:49
The BPF was essentially created because it is set criteria that any nation willing to participate in European and WPA sanctioned events MUST have a federation. We had no choice!! It's not about lining anyone's pockets!! Our accounts are totally transparent and can be viewed upon request.
I agree with Andy that we as a federation have been somewhat dormant recently but I feel that if we had some form of unity with the Gb9 it would give us a bigger foundation then we could be more active pursuing our roles as a federation. We need our national tour aswell as the UPC(Universities Pool Council) who have already agreed to work with the BPF. Once this is achieved.... when we apply for government funding we can show that we have a large foundation and player base in order to receive funding.
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TheMaharaja
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Posted: 2016-01-07 21:00
With a vast foundation the BPF would definitely be more active in pursuing it's goals but the bottom line is conformity! We could then look at the youth/wheelchair etc structure. Some people just don't see the bigger picture!! With regards to the selection process for the European Championships yes I think we need to devise some sort of criteria were some of the lesser players get a chance to represent the UK. Maybe 1 player from Pro division , one from challenge and one from the Eurotour rankings might be an idea. Nevertheless we should set some criteria not hand picked from the so called Elite players. Moving forward Our Chairman and Andy are liasing right now to set up meetings. I am sure Kurt will meet you in the UK Andy like he did last time at Stansted I think. Let's unite and be strong as a nation to further our sport!! [ This message was edited by: TheMaharaja on 2016-01-07 21:27 ]
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