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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-05 03:29

EPT Rule

15 d. If a player scratches or jumps the cue ball so that it comes to rest off the playing surface of the table while playing the eight ball, it is a loss of game.


Is this loss of game if you dont pocket the 8 ball aswell as when you pocket it?



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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-05 11:21

On 2006-05-03 23:15 , Blue_Suede Wrote:

!!! QUOTE !!!

If, as the question states, the 10-ball is called, then it would be a foul, regardless of whether a rail was hit. So that would be loss of turn and ball in hand to the opponent.

If, however, the shooter called 'safety', then it would only mean loss of turn. ie. no ball in hand - the opponent would have to shoot from where the cueball lay. Again, it is not important that a rail was not hit.

Had the shooter potted both the 10 & the 1-ball, he would continue his visit to the table.

I think.

BS

I would say BS is correct in all counts.


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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-05 11:22

I think you're asking "is it a foul if you scratch on the 8-ball?" Yes it is. Any foul on the 8 is loss of game.



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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-05 11:33

14.0 Losing a Game- A player loses a game by fouling while pocketing the eight ball, jumping the eight off the table (comes to rest off the slate bed surface) at any time, pocketing the eight ball prematurely, pocketing the eight ball in a pocket other than the called pocket. Player also loses game by committing three consecutive fouls.

15.0 Playing the Eight Ball When playing the eight ball: a. The eight ball must always be the first ball contacted by the cue ball, and it or any other ball including the cue ball must contact a rail after the initial hit. Failure to do this is a foul and the opponent is awarded cue ball in hand; it is not a loss of game. b. Combinations, caroms, kisses, are all legal as long as the eight ball is the first ball contacted by the cue ball. c. Pocketing the eight in the wrong pocket is a loss of game. d. If a player scratches or jumps the cue ball so that it comes to rest off the playing surface of the table while playing the eight ball, it is a loss of game.

So me thinks you only lose the game if you foul whilst potting the 8 or if the 8 or Q ball leaves the table or scratch !!?? Not ANY foul on the 8 as the Surg suggest's! Just most fouls!? Hmm
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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-05 12:13

so back to potting opponents ball if i call the combo pot his ball off mine is it still my visit. if i am on the 8 and use it to pot his ball is it still me to play? i used to think u 8ball lads had a massive advantage but it is starting to seem like a totally different game than reds and yellows



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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-05 14:31

On a combination shot, you need to hit your ball 1st and pot both you and your opponents on the same visit.

Failure to pot your ball is LOSS OF TURN, cue ball in hand.

You must also call the pocket where you want to pot YOUR ball into.


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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-05 15:44

!!! QUOTE !!!

Failure to pot your ball is LOSS OF TURN, cue ball in hand.


I agree that it is loss of turn, (no need too shout Devil)
but why is it a foul and ball in hand for opponent???



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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-05 19:50

Is it not a foul becuase you have potted your opponents ball and not yours??


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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-05 23:59

On 2006-05-05 19:50 , devil Wrote:

!!! QUOTE !!!

Is it not a foul becuase you have potted your opponents ball and not yours??

NO

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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-06 07:51

Tut Tut Devil, still thinking small ball, you are in the big boys game now so you had better learn the rules quickly!!!!!!!!!!!



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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-06 07:53

I am running a Referees training course at the end of May in Seville, anyone who speaks Spanish would be welcome.
One of my many tasks is Director of Referees for the Spanish Confederation of Pool



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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-17 11:34

OK here are two incidents that cropped up in an 8 ball game last night. The first one: a ball was pocketed into the corner pocket but on root to the pocket it accidentally clipped another ball on the rail although this did not stop it from going into the pocket. Is this a foul? The flick was unintentional and such the pocket wasn't called because the shot was meant to be obvious.

The second one: One shot ended up with both the eight and the cueball in the jaws of the corner pocket (the eight being the final ball for the shooter) and he hit the eight which hit the jaw of the pocket came back and double kissed the cueball before going into the pocket. Is this a foul? I presume double kisses aren't considered obvious but im not sure in this instance. Any help clearing these up would be appreciated.



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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-17 11:50

Both no foul I would think as the intended ball went in the intended pocket, as well as being the first ball to be struck by the cue ball.

I'm still learning the rules as well though so may be wrong!
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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-17 11:54

I believe that as long as the called ball goes into the intended pocket its good, its irrelevant how it gets there. If it goes into another pocket other then the nominated one, it would be loss of turn not a foul shot, unless it is the 8 ball in which case it would be loss of rack... :roll:



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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-17 12:40

1. No foul and another visit for the reasons given by Mickey and Goon - because the shot was deemed obvious it was the called shot and the called ball was potted into the called pocket. Note: Even it the shot wasn't called (or deemed called) it would not have been a foul - just loss of turn.

2. This is a little more tricky as it depends how the balls lay and how obvious it was that he was trying to pocket the 8 into that pocket. If it was *absolutely* clear that he was trying to pot it there the shot is good. If it wasn't clear the shot is still good because the opponent did not challenge the player as to what shot he was trying to play. If the opponent is adamant that it was not the intended shot he could call the tournament referee for a decision but it's likely to go in favour of the shooter unless there is a very strong case.

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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-17 13:34

Ok cheers for the help guys.



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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-18 13:49

Thanks rule-god riggers :o)-



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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-18 13:55

Rule-god riggers? I've been called much worse things than that, however we all know that there can only be one god so I think el Presidente might have something to say about me being the rule god :-D



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posticon   Posted: 2006-05-18 14:00

There's no pleasing these Barnsley folk is there!



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