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Sparkey
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Posted: 2006-08-22 11:15
When I was ranked in the top 16 on Teds tour I too had to play a couple of times in a prelim, and I am pretty sure Ted will run his in the same or sililar way to mine and Daryls EPT tour it works like this on the EPT the top 32 are seeded and are seeded not to meet each other in the early rounds, when there are byes to be had then and only then will the seeded players be given byes starting with seed number 1 and working up to however many byes there are (eg if there is 116 people enter a tournament you work on a 128 field that means there will be 12 byes which will then mean that seeds 13 to 32 will play in first rounds and the top 12 get a bye) As with Teds tour the seeding only guarantees you do not get drawn against another seed early on in the draw and does not guarantee a bye, hope this helps.
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cazza
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Posted: 2006-08-22 11:24
Ok thanks for trying to explain. What if I were to say that I though the draw actually changed, and Brad was originally given a bye, and then all of a sudden had to play a pre-lim, and was stunned when his name was called out?
Anyway - we could go on about it all day. A few of the other players noticed that a certain person wasnt originally in Brad's section, and then he appeared in there.
Crashnburn - I wasnt referring to the EPT - they are doing great things for pool in the UK & I doubt you'll be hearing many complaints from players.
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Baldrick
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Posted: 2006-08-22 11:25
1st - Well done Karl Boyes for winning in Solihull
There are a couple of things I heard about the draw this weekend that i want to clear up with Ted and will e-mail him personally.
But on the issue on me playing a pre-lim I dont see no explination, im just glad i won it cause i wouldnt of been to happy.
No seed has ever in the history of the BPPPA had to play a pre-lim match. If it was the case one did have to play a match because of entries then surely it should be seed 16. Another thing is a fair few non-seeded players got a bye in the first round, including one in my quarter of the draw, so surely the man i played in the pre-lim, should have played the guy who was non seeded and had a bye!
Another thing, if you look at well entered BPPPA events
I am 90% sure the seed hasnt played until the second round.
i.e: Seeds play in round 2, draw for round 1 and a few unlucky non seeded players would have a pre-lim to get into round 1.
Brad
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cazza
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Posted: 2006-08-22 11:27
Sparkey - thanks for explaining it well. On the basis of what you say, i.e. the top 12 get a bye if there are 116 entrants, then the top 12 get a bye, then I still dont get it as Brad was seeded 10th on saturday.
Do you not think its rather odd he was the ONLY seed to play a pre-lim when all the other seeds were given a bye & lots of other non-seeded players were also given byes?
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crashnburn
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Posted: 2006-08-22 11:40
soz cazza i was looking at page 1 on the debate about the state of the tables but it hadn't gone to page 1 and i saw your debate about the seedings and assumed it was about the EPT. my apologies.
Sorry
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TheSurgeon
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Posted: 2006-08-22 12:07
Cazza, I've sent you a PM.
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cusack_147
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Posted: 2006-08-22 12:32
On 2006-08-21 15:42 , TheSurgeon Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!!
cusack_147, I do not want to get drawn into a debate with other users that have already made up their mind and have their own strong opinions about membership fees on the bpppa tour. For what it's worth, I do believe that all players on the bpppa tour should have something to aim for and that the current set up does not reflect my own and I'm sure other peoples aspirations for 9-ball in this country. But guess what, everyone in the bpppa is aware of this!
Change can and will happen of that I'm sure, do you really think Ted wants this kind of press on the web? Of course he doesn't. Why, because over time, people will stop playing and there wont be a tour. I'm pretty sure he doesn't want that to happen, don't you?
I have absolutley nothing against Ted or anything, I have always enjoyed playing on the tour and will continue to play on it and support when I can but I'm just expressing views on how things could be done better. Im sure us players all want the same things even if they dont want to express them on this forum or site. I apologise if my views seem strong but maybe this is the only way things will change.
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read_this
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Posted: 2006-08-22 12:38
Why not wait for an explanation one way or another? I would hope that an official from the BPPPA may be able to post something here so that we can all benefit from this explanation. Perhaps they can also address the original subject of this thread as well i.e. the table conditions last weekend at Solihull. After all a good communications strategy is always beneficial and I think as TheSurgeon has pointed out the BPPPA may well be aware of this thread.
Cheers,
RT.
P.S. surgeon, if that PM is an explanation I wonder will it be made public?
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TheSurgeon
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Posted: 2006-08-22 12:42
The PM is not an explanation as I don't have all the facts, I will leave this to Nigel & Ted read_this. Perhaps cazza will post something on the back of my PM, that's for her to decide I guess :o)-
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TheSurgeon
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Posted: 2006-08-22 12:43
cusack_147, I think we are saying the same thing pal!!
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Riggers
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Posted: 2006-08-22 12:46
I have to say I was appalled with the table conditions in Solihull. Ok so they have not been looked after and are in need of refurbishment - but there is really no excuse for tables being covered in **** just before a tournament starts. There was no sign of a brush anywhere near the table I played on Saturday morning and on Sunday morning it did not look to me as though they had been brushed before the start of play.
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TheSurgeon
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Posted: 2006-08-22 13:09
This is exactly the sort of feedback we should be bringing to the attention of Riley's senior management!!!
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cusack_147
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Posted: 2006-08-22 13:12
I didnt play in the tournament at the weekend so can anyone tell me if anything has been done about the tables that are right next to those huge windows on the top floor? Has any attempt to cover these windows or change the layout been made?
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Riggers
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Posted: 2006-08-22 13:14
No cusack. Make sure you take your polaroids if you go play there.
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cazza
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Posted: 2006-08-22 13:39
Hi - I did receive the PM - not quite sure if there is anything in there that needs another post on here from me, but I will get Brad to call you...
Things do need to be clarified for all the players' sakes, so I am sure Brad will put something on here once he knows the explanation.
As for the rubbish tables @ Solihull, why not just simply hold the events at decently run clubs? I am sure most players wouldnt mind using the same venue for 2 events in the calendar, if it meant playing conditions were better.
There's enough luck in pool as it is without contending with trashy tables.
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cusack_147
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Posted: 2006-08-22 13:54
On 2006-08-22 13:39 , cazza Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!!
There's enough luck in pool as it is without contending with trashy tables.
Dont get me started on luck! [ This message was edited by: cusack_147 on 2006-08-22 13:55 ]
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TheSurgeon
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Posted: 2006-08-22 14:24
he he cusack!!!
Good suggestion re multiple venues in the same calendar year cazza, I think the players council members should put this up for discussion at the next event, what d'ya reckon?
Also, why don't we suggest keeping a record of the dodgy clubs. Then, a few months prior to holding an event there, someone could nip down the club and report back. Perhaps then something could be done about the playing conditions (either re-cloth or move venues?)
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Riggers
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Posted: 2006-08-22 14:28
Well it would be even better if we could get out of the clubs and onto new tables in hotels. But in the meantime that's a great suggestion - I reckon at least 2 players should visit the club 2 months before the event to check out all the tables and report back to Ted.
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TheSurgeon
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Posted: 2006-08-22 14:42
And it should be pretty easy to sort out too as there are members located all over the country.
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dynamitedaz
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Posted: 2006-08-22 14:57
i went to the club friday night to practise because i spend most o0f my time in west midlands now and tables 1 and 2 were spot on played perfect ...
saturday karl boyes played lynette on table 2 he said awesome table.... but for some crazy reason the tables were never used again.....all weekend...
there were a few good tables in club but were not used and i seen last 16 matches played on worst tables in club while the good tables were not played on ......
the tables with the blue cloth on were a joke i didnt hit a ball on any off them but you can see there bad by just looking at them ...and it makes big difference going from purple cloth to blue cloth the blue cloth tables were dead and slow...
before the event if i was running the tour i would be checking the good tables and the bad mark them down then you know what to use and not what to use especially at the later stages of the tournament..
also i would have avoided using the tables near the big window as much as possible imagine if it was sunny aswell!
lessons to be learnt for sure
and rankings seem very similar to english 8ball rankings ...if theres 1-16 byes then first bye goes to no 1 player then so on really dont understand why it would be any different but its exactly same IN ENGLISH 8BALL.... its really bad form i got bye and am ranked 1001 brads a top 16 ranked player and his playing prelim thats not good!!
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