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BigDave
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Posted: 2010-05-20 08:10
Thanks to Oiliver Dark for the "heads up" on this BBC news item about Mick Hill setting a new official record total of 456 consecutive balls at the English Pool version of Straight Pool... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/8688025.stmI've never seen it on an English table before and I didn't realise that the entire table is cleared and then re-racked... Not leaving a break ball like in the US game! -----------------  Authorised Pro9 forum advertiser/sponsor [ This message was edited by: BigDave on 2010-05-20 08:11 ]
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cueman
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Posted: 2010-05-20 11:20
Yes I noticed that on the article but not sure if it is correct, if you don't leave the last ball as a break ball surely it wouldn't be called 14.1 -----------------  Andy Warden, GB9 - Authorised Pro9 forum advertiser/sponsor √ [ This message was edited by: cueman on 2010-05-20 11:21 ]
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PC
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Posted: 2010-05-20 12:06
On 2010-05-20 11:20 , cueman Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Yes I noticed that on the article but not sure if it is correct, if you don't leave the last ball as a break ball surely it wouldn't be called 14.1
I spoke to Mick about this the other day and it is definitely the case that you re rack all of the balls and don't leave a ball to break from. -----------------  [ This message was edited by: PC on 2010-05-20 12:06 ]
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OsamaBinPottin
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Posted: 2010-05-20 12:09
is that a mistake on the article maybe? it says you pot all the balls and then break the balls again from where the cueball lies - that has to be a mistake on the bbc's side surely...?
having said that, playing 14.1 on english equipment is tougher than on american (in my experience) so if he didn't use a break ball that might explain the insanely high score - definitely much easier without using a break ball!
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PC
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Posted: 2010-05-20 12:47
On 2010-05-20 12:09 , OsamaBinPottin Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! is that a mistake on the article maybe? it says you pot all the balls and then break the balls again from where the cueball lies - that has to be a mistake on the bbc's side surely...?
having said that, playing 14.1 on english equipment is tougher than on american (in my experience) so if he didn't use a break ball that might explain the insanely high score - definitely much easier without using a break ball! Its not a mistake that's how Mick explained it to me...... Maybe the rules are that way as the white on a English pool table is lighter than the other balls so physics would dictate they would be very hard to break open using the break ball method. -----------------
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Agentsoap
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Posted: 2010-05-20 14:17
Is there a seperate record for doing this on an American pool table ? .....if so what is the record ?
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The_Muse
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Posted: 2010-05-20 14:18
American Pool - 526 - Willie Mosconi
English Pool - 456 - Mick Hill
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The_Muse
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Posted: 2010-05-20 14:20
That 456 really is quite insane by the way. I have a 106 as my personal best and anything over 100 doesn't come easily at all. I haven't read the article yet but hopefully he has video evidence so that people like myself can learn and improve their strategies.
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PC
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Posted: 2010-05-20 14:30
On 2010-05-20 14:20 , The_Muse Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! That 456 really is quite insane by the way. I have a 106 as my personal best and anything over 100 doesn't come easily at all. I haven't read the article yet but hopefully he has video evidence so that people like myself can learn and improve their strategies. I'm not sure about the video evidence but its official as there was EPA people there to verify it. -----------------
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The_Muse
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Posted: 2010-05-20 14:41
Thats all well and good but in my opinion players should be recording when they knowingly attempt to break a world record. After all, why not when you can get a good camcorder pretty cheap these days? Its something I want to do as I want to get a 150 (unfinished) on tape as its a nice 10 rack run. I don't have the concentration / focus to do any better and I'm not sure I want to as potting is probably the weakest area of my game.
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Agentsoap
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Posted: 2010-05-20 15:15
so in the American 14.1 where is the head ball spotted ?....middle diamond ? or is the centre ball spotted there ?....and you gotta break wherever the cue ball lands after last pot ?...
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The_Muse
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Posted: 2010-05-20 17:09
This will give you an idea of how the American 14.1 works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTWvb_v55xcMy record in this is 63 balls which is pretty poor really! I think the break ball being required adds difficulty though and you need more experience and knowledge for the American version.
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bruno
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Posted: 2010-05-20 23:37
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The_Muse
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Posted: 2010-05-20 23:50
Erm, judging by where the white ends up...
NOT LIKELY!
Regarding the 63 it was done on a Rileys table when I used to play at Wavertree and the pockets there are very big. However, I really used to just "love" the way that the balls turned out on rail shots!
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mal_clarke
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Posted: 2010-05-22 09:40
My record is 73 on the American game, but never played English version. I think you break from where cue ball lands and whack them. Very tough to do.
456 balls = 30 racks! Amazing.
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DrDevil
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Posted: 2010-05-22 15:33
It is pretty amazing, but people! PLEASE! No way to compare Straight pool and this made-up thing here.... Straight pool is absolutely different than this game in many aspects and if you don't get the idea why this is so - i will explain, but please, dont call these english 14.1 and American 14.1....
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The_Muse
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Posted: 2010-05-22 16:56
There are a couple of other things that readers should be aware of too with English Straight Pool:
1 - If the break shots at the start of each rack do not pocket a ball then this is not end of run. The break shots are considered to be "free" and so this is a difference.
2 - Balls and pockets do not have to be called in English Straight Pool either so there is slop to be considered.
3 - Should the player position the cue ball within the racking area so that it interferes with the racking to any extent the player shall be given ball in hand within baulk for the following break shot.
I think that all things considered American 14.1 Pool is a harder game. Maybe I'm wrong but thats the way I see it. Both are highly skillful games and have my complete respect.
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DrDevil
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Posted: 2010-05-22 17:26
Thats right, plus a few more things. Anyway - a good player like Appleton f.e. should be able to do the same thing, or even better. It's not much of a difficult record to beat. I am not making Mick Hill's achievement less important or amazig, it's just much easier to play this, than 14.1.
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OsamaBinPottin
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Posted: 2010-05-22 18:04
Someone on CCI suggested calling this the '15-0' world record as that's a more accurate name for it  My view is - either: a) play 14.1 using the actual rules (and then if the world record is only 200 or so then that's still very impressive given the difficulties involved with the smaller cue ball, tighter pockets etc) b) don't call it 14-1 if you get a free, direct break shot after potting the last ball. the absence of a break ball (among other more minor things) makes it a completely different game!
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The_Muse
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Posted: 2010-05-22 18:06
English Straight Pool does have its difficulties though. The biggest thing that can end a run is a rail shot. So many tables are put together incorrectly or are flat out just a bad product to begin with. With English Pool certain shots need to be played slowly down the rail to realistically be accepted and if the table isn't accurate the ball can just turn away from the rail and end your run. You have to look for opportunities to break these balls out whilst leaving insurance and if there is no way about it there have been times when I would rather double the said ball, particularly if the ball is close to the middle pocket. Just go down to your local pub on a free pool night and try the game and you'll see its not as easy as its being made out to be.
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