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sam_betfair
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Posted: 2006-09-05 02:52
just read the press box section on the IPT website............i believe a few players have been disqualified for using breakers with a 'phenolic' tip........im sure I saw a few players using Predatoe BK and Bk2 in the last IPT tourney
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paddy147
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Posted: 2006-09-05 03:30
they have a bit of leather underneath them and they are allowed i think!!!! carbon i think that is what it is...... i may be wrong though
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malaguista
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Posted: 2006-09-05 08:04
The rule states that cues must have a leather tip.
If you superglue a fine piece of leather on a phenolic, you might just get away with it!!!!!!
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malaguista
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Posted: 2006-09-05 08:33
!!! QUOTE !!! they have a bit of leather underneath them and they are allowed i think!!!! carbon i think that is what it is...... i may be wrong though Andrews left with the shaft and returned a short time later with a spec sheet for the Predator BK2, which notes that the standard tip is phenolic and carbon fiber.
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Chrstc
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Posted: 2006-09-05 10:57
Hello,
Just to show how confusing this area is here's a post from the IPT Vegas thread here on Pro9 from Kingoftherack
'I believe the rule is if there is ANY leather in the cue tip then it is considered legal. I checked this as I have a BK2 which has a carbon-fibre/leather composite tip, and would be allowed on the IPT'.
Therefore it seems that the BK2 was allowed in the last event but not in this one! I feel really sorry for Tom Storm who's one of my fav players anyway but especially if he was using a BK2 yesterday.
Thanks,
Chris.
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kingoftherack
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Posted: 2006-09-05 13:54
Apologies for the incorrect information. I should have checked my sources better.
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kingoftherack
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Posted: 2006-09-05 13:56
The problem is that Deno Andrews was not at the last event, and the referees were/are so useless that they don't know the difference between normal/phenolic etc. I think they should have a list of the major manufactures of cues that are allowed/not allowed on the IPT, and all cues should be checked at the tournament desk at registration. [ This message was edited by: kingoftherack on 2006-09-05 13:58 ]
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Chrstc
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Posted: 2006-09-05 14:59
Hello kingoftherack,
Sorry if you thought I was getting at you by quoting your old post. I wasn't- I was just trying to show how dificult to interpret the IPT's policy has been on this. It seems so unfair that you can use, say, a Sledgehammer but with a little piece of leather over the top but you can't use a BK2.
Again sorry if my comment caused you any trouble!
Chris.
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Riggers
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Posted: 2006-09-05 15:25
It just seems so stupid to me that the IPT should ban phenolic tips. There has to be a degree to which you accept that manufacturers will improve equipment over time. It's like wimbledon saying you can only use a wooden racket or the R&A/USPGA banning graphite shafts. Ok manufacturers need to be kept in check - you wouldn't want a golf ball the flies 600 yards straight down the middle everytime - but phenolic tips are not exactly spoiling the game. How much difference is there between a very hard leather tip and a phenolic? I'd love to see some actual break stats from a scientific comparison. Seems like a lot of pointless fuss if you ask me and the IPT should relax this silly rule. Feel sorry for Tom Storm. [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2006-09-05 15:26 ]
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kingoftherack
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Posted: 2006-09-05 16:06
Hi Chrstc,
no offence taken mate!....I had been allowing BK2s at the APN satellites so far so someone was bound to comment sooner or later (i've got one myself lol!). Funnily enough, I sold one to Jimmy White last week as he thought they were legal too!
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Riggers
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Posted: 2006-09-05 16:34
LOL. Jimmy's gonna love you! He got deducted a whole match for that and nearly got chucked out of the tournament.
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kingoftherack
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Posted: 2006-09-05 16:49
 [ This message was edited by: kingoftherack on 2006-09-05 16:49 ]
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Chrstc
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Posted: 2006-09-05 17:13
kingoftherack- glad I didn't annoy you with that post then!
Riggers- totally agree with you about phenolic tips and think the golf comparison is an excellent one. I wish they'd allow jump cues too myself. There's a "what happened to Tom Storm" thread on AZ which I've been contributing to but most people there think Tom deserved everything he got. Seems unfair to me that in the last tournament it was just loss of 5 games and now it's a disqualification offence. I'm biased of course as I was really pulling for Tom. Everyone I back does badly so Kim Davenport and Imran haven't got any chance today I'm afraid!
Thanks,
Chris.
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malaguista
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Posted: 2006-09-06 07:49
In Las Vegas everyone got a warning and there was no excuse for continuing with phenolic tips in Reno.
Apparently it was also emphasised in the player's meeting.
In Vegas, Alcaide got docked one game for the offence which, in my opinion was very lenient particularly as I had given him all the rules in Spanish before he left Spain.
I am always a stickler for the rules even if I don't agree with them, if not, there is no point in having them
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