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Topic: BPPPA....farce??????

I have been playing on the Eurotour for nearly a whole year now because i beleive its the best tour to play on if you want to improve your game.

Now, my gripe is to do with the BPPPA clashing the Stirling Open dates with the Eurotour Dutch Open in Weert. Not only cant i play in Stirling coz ive booked for the Weert event, but now i see that the BPPPA is giving double ranking points for Stirling which is not been fair to all players.(even though the ranking points mean nothing!).......also, dont you have to be a member of the BPPPA in order to be allowed to play on Eurotour events?.....well that stinks coz if you pay your membership fee you should be able to compete in all events, but they are denying players of this by date clashing!
On another note, what do we actually get for our membership fees?
Where does the money actually go?
Maybe the BPPPA should take a note out of the EPT's book by scrapping the membership fees and making the entry fees slightly higher.....this would simply mean more money in the prize funds and not in the BPPPA's back pocket!.....im sorry but i have to say this coz we have never seen anything in return for our membership fees.
I, and many other players feel that the BPPPA is taking the p155 out of us in more ways than one!

I am seriously thinking of boycotting the BPPPA next time around and concentrating on the EPT.....ive played in both EPT events and they were much better organized, and the main thing is that the EPT seem to be doing all the hard work in order to give the players what they deserve!

Ok, rant over.

RH.

agree with your comments. I've been playing on the BPPPA now for over 2 years and as of yet have not seen any improvements in either the organisation of the comps or the payouts. Regarding the ranking points, you're right, they mean absolutely nothing anyway, unless of course you are aiming to get in to the top 32 so you will be able to enter the ever elusive British Open !!!!

The Eurotour is an open event, you don't have to be a member of any organisation to play.

I have a question: Following on from Player's comments.....

I remember seeing months and months ago on the BPPPA calendar the planned British Open Championship to be happening sometime towards the end of this year. This was described as the biggest pool event to be hitting the UK. I have not seen anything else on this topic.

Is anyone able to shed any light on this - or reading into Player's tone of words, is it a bit of a taboo subject????


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Crazy Cue

Agree. The BPPPA represents the worst value and conditions for the players off all the main tours. The prize money is a joke and only a handfull of players will make any kind of profit. You are kept hanging around for hours on end and the organisers seem to have no consideration for the players. There has been no improvements made since day 1 and no sponsors brought in to improve the prize money. The rankings mean absolutely nothing and the British Open announced 2 years ago has been swept under the carpet, no explanation, although non expected.

Thank you Malaguista, your comment is very interesting indeed as we were told months and months ago by the President of the BPPPA that as British Players we MUST be a member of the BPPPA in order to play on the euro-tour. Was this a false and devious statement from the BPPPA regarding this matter, If so I'm sure we would all like an explanation immediatly.
Also, I know we were told about the elusive British Open over 2 years ago and then with no explanations from the BPPPA what so ever, They changed the dates on more than one occasion but there still has been NOTHING, with no explanations once again. It looks to me as if this was some sort of ploy to get players to join when really it was never going to happen.
Answers to these questions from the horses mouth would be much appreciated (although we all know this is highly unlikly)

RH

Funny time to start this thread knowing Ted will be away in Poland for over a week.

I do not understand how this is going to help the game in the UK. RH take your concerns directy to ted and give it a rest.

We should be supporting all tours and making the most of what opportunities we have to compete.

The BPPPA looks after all aspects of the game in the UK including Juniors and Wheelchair player and that is more than any other tour.

So we all need to be constructive and not try to destroy what we have!!

Matthew Gleaves here I don't hide behind my Pro9 handle.

But how is it not going to help? These same questions were being asked months and months ago and still no answers, thats what doesn't help. The matter of membership fees was well brought up by Rockhard. 2 years worth of fees from over 100 players each year at over £100 each... and for a none profit making organisation, where has the money been used? Rockhard you are right to ask. Good post from you.

The Mole, I appreciate the work that the BPPPA does for the wheelchair and Juniors, but the fact is that the main tour is more tha a joke. It's not just me, it's the majority of the players that feel this way and unless something is done sooner rather than later there won't be enough players interested enough to play on the tour as we have already seen the number of entries really starting to diminish.

RH

PS I have tried to contact Ted on many occasions but I am still yet to receive a reply by phone or email.

I think you meant to say wheelchair and junior players.

ok lets sack the BPPPA then shall we? someone tell Ted we don't want regular competition here in the UK.

We have these conversations and subject almost everyday, am getting fed up. Just live with it or get your fool out there and try something different.

Move to states..i dont know do whatever and stop bloody moaning! Jesus christ.

On 2006-09-02 19:08 , trevor Wrote:

I actually raised the issue of membership fees on this forum a few weeks ago. I think all these things are valid points and wouldn't be brought up if they weren't true or if the tour was problem free.

p.s. Well said Danny, I never thought id hear you say something like that, lol.

Danny, we all know by now you're Teds number one fan, but surely you must agree with some of the points raised. They are not meant as personal insults, they are valid points and things which need to be addressed.

it's not the points raised which is starting to p155 people off...

It's the manner in which they are raised!

And the fact is, if you spoke to Ted directly, either at an event or on the phone, he would give you all the answers. Or even contact one of the Players Council members and they will sort answers out for you.

If you had the guts to go and ask Ted, straight out, face to face, this topic wouldn't even exist. Because you would already have answers and explanations.

Danny

ps. There is no need to start getting personal.

On 2006-09-03 10:39 , Danny Wrote:

I know people that have approached Ted directly and raised all these points directly with him. This was done at Manchester and Victoria but these points were ignored and told that the tournament desk was not the place to be asking these questions. Well where do we ask them then if we cant ask the tournament officials and presidents at a tournament?

letter, e-mail, telephone, arrange to meet up with him for a few racks and discuss it then..

but make sure you don't speak to him in the same manner you raise points on here. unless you want throttling lol.

Surely the main pool organisation in the UK should be approachable? If they were, people wouldnt be moaning on here would they? I said my piece along with cusack a few weeks back, yet no official response was given then.

The BPPPA can use pro 9 as a perfect opportunity to give their side of things & explain why things are done, but they choose not to, thus alienating themselves from their players.

Since the EPT and APN started up, they are ALWAYS available to answer questions & explain things. Daryl is straight on here to answer queries when people post questions/ problems etc & the same can be said for Andy/Pete at the APN.

The BPPPA is alienating the players, but I am sorry, its their own doing really.

While were on the subject of the BPPPA,i'd just like to say i think its a decent tour cos without it we wud have NO 9-ball tour,but i do agree that in the 20 months ive been playing the tour does not seem to have progressed, (THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM BUT A OBSERVATION OF WHAT I HAVE SEEN!)

I do agree that the rankings dont seem to mean much,im now ranked No1 in the UK after religiously turning up for every event,but wot do i get back for that?!?! Although ive just heard the NO1 at the end of each season does get about £1500 off Dynamics which is a nice bonus at the end of a expensive season

The main gripe i have about the tour is the hangin around between matches which can sometimes b 4-5 hours!, i dont mind so much about the tables cos at the end of the day we r playing in average clubs and not at big venues and its the same for both players.
Obviously the other issue is about prize money and it wud b nice if it was £2000 winner to every event and the last 16 say at least got £100 but we need sponsorship for that!

We should be glad we acually have a tour for nine ball and one for eight ball. And look at the quality of players we produce?