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pooljedi
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From: Preston
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Posted: 2006-11-16 08:21
i know your all going to think im delighted cause they are all 20 mins from my house and this move has massively reduced my costs WELL I AM !!! ha ha but seriously we need to support the tour im sure a few later on will be down south and then us northerners will have to pay the ridiculas prices for hotels and £5 for a beer ect ect just think guys if you lived in the states a regional tour could have you travelling further never mind a national. lets stick with it last year 10 out of 12 events meant me driving over 2 hours and staying in hotels [ This message was edited by: pooljedi on 2006-11-16 08:22 ]
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thediamond
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Posted: 2006-11-16 08:40
On 2006-11-15 16:32 , the-diamond Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! I'm with rackrunner on this one, better to have a tour in manchester than nothing at all, although the expense will put some people off. The sort of people which it will put off will be players like me who want to play for the experience initially. I am perhaps the exception because i will still be playing as many tournaments as possible (money and work depending) even though i know realistically i have very little chance of winning many matches let alone tournaments (see results from guildford and stafford for evidence!).
Could this ruin the future of the game in this country? Perhaps it would be an idea to have alternative tournaments restricting entry only to players outside the top 50 with entry a lot cheaper for members and non members. This would allow more casual club players to enter tournaments and would ultimately get more people playing the game which is what is needed long term. Todays beginners are tomorrows experienced players? Who dis? Like the Highlander, there can be only one. Lots of confusion over the name pal. This aint me. Si
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Riggers
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Joined: 30-Mar-2006
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From: Barnsley (centre of the universe)
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Posted: 2006-11-16 08:55
On 2006-11-16 07:34 , thejackal Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!!
....Ultimately the BPPPA is a product and we are customers, and the product it is trying sell to SOME of its customers is not a viable one
while it is to some of the rest of you.
I can't agree with this sentiment. This isn't a business vying for our custom and Ted is not the managing director of a company offering a product for profit. He is working hard for US. This is OUR tour! And right now it's had a little set back and it needs OUR support to keep it going. I know that financial implications must be considered and many people a long way from Manchester may not be able to make all these events but I would hope they can make it to some of them. How is Ted going to secure alternative venues for the remainder of the season, sponsorship and ultimately the future of the tour if everyone south of Birmingham turns their back on it at this time? Come on guys!
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the-diamond
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Joined: 02-Aug-2006
Posts: 4
From: Coventry
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Posted: 2006-11-16 09:06
Apologies Si on the name, i didn't realise there was already a 'diamond'. This is Jamie White by the way who you gave a lesson to on the one loss side of the stafford open back in july time. The name diamond white has sort of stuck after my english pool playing team mates decided it was catchy as i am just about the only person who plays 9 ball in coventry! I will endeavour to change it and think of something original!
Going back to the subject of the tournament, i played in the weekly £3 to enter tournament at rileys solihull last night, more tournaments like this are needed round the country to raise interest in the game at a more amateur level and would increase the number of players giving the bpppa tournaments a try
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Riggers
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From: Barnsley (centre of the universe)
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Posted: 2006-11-16 09:46
I agree Jamie, every club should have one. Then they will have a core group of players who can form a team against other clubs and the whole thing should just spiral. That's really got me thinking now because in my area I'm sure we could do a Leeds / Barnsley / Sheffield triangle competition. 9 man team sounds good. Sorry for going off topic - but hey maybe that's not a bad thing 
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Danny
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Joined: 14-Mar-2006
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From: Manchester UK
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Posted: 2006-11-16 09:57
On 2006-11-16 08:55 , Riggers Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2006-11-16 07:34 , thejackal Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!!
....Ultimately the BPPPA is a product and we are customers, and the product it is trying sell to SOME of its customers is not a viable one
while it is to some of the rest of you.
I can't agree with this sentiment. This isn't a business vying for our custom and Ted is not the managing director of a company offering a product for profit. He is working hard for US. This is OUR tour! And right now it's had a little set back and it needs OUR support to keep it going.
I know that financial implications must be considered and many people a long way from Manchester may not be able to make all these events but I would hope they can make it to some of them. How is Ted going to secure alternative venues for the remainder of the season, sponsorship and ultimately the future of the tour if everyone south of Birmingham turns their back on it at this time?
Come on guys!
I totally agree. If you all turn your back on the BPPPA right now. This short term set back will become a long term set back. And in the long run this will affect you as players. Like Si said, stop moaning and put in a bit of effort and get to every event no matter what. The more people who take that attitude, the sooner the BPPPA will be back on track!
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TonyDavid
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Joined: 17-Apr-2006
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From: Cambridgeshire
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Posted: 2006-11-16 13:19
I must admit I was a bit shocked when I saw the new calendar. I am looking to move back South, which will make it much harder and more expensive for me.
But I will continue to support the tour as it is the only 9 ball tour in UK and I am even worse at 8 ball than at 9!
As Ted says, it will only be temporary and hopefully things will improve and we can have a more "national" tour again.
Where I can continue to play like a plonker!
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Rocky404
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Joined: 16-Nov-2006
Posts: 34
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Posted: 2006-11-16 13:49
Danny - some of the things you are saying on here are not very well thought out. I take it you still live at home with your parents & dont have big financial commitments such as a mortgage to pay or children to raise.
All this "If you love pool you'll find a way" & "make an effort to go to every event". This simply isnt possible for some people if it is going to cost them £3500 per year to do it. A lot of players will need hotels each time they play.
Under the old format, many players only needed a hotel for some of them. The jackal is spot on in his post.
Has it ever occured to you that someone would need to earn a extra £6000 on their salary before deductions just to cover the costs for 1 yr on the BPPPA? People just dont have that sort of cash, and it has nothng to do with love for the game.
Also - Dazzler's point is very valid. Where exactly are these membership fees going if the BPPPA is now breaking even.
If it costs the same to compete on the Euro Tour, then players may as well do that, as at least they have a chance of qualifying for the World Champs & earning decent prize money - as well as the obvious bonus of seeing the world.
All this support the tour stuff as if its a charity case or something is nonsensical & irrelevant. Playing in Manchester every month is too expensive for some people end of.
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dazzler
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Posted: 2006-11-16 14:01
Im sorry Riggers but i totally agree with what the Jackal has said, and also a great post from Rocky404! At the end of the day Ted isnt doing this tour for the good of his health, and im sure he has a long term plan. This, as we have heard is a "short term setback" but without the players there is nothing, and as Rocky404 said, its just not possible for some players to compete as the expenses/winnings just dont add up. Lets hope this is a very short term thing....im sure we will hear the future plans for the bpppa this weekend at Nottingham. ----------------- 
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Riggers
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Posted: 2006-11-16 14:04
I agree with you to some extent Rocky. Playing in Manchester EVERY month will be too expensive for some, there's no doubt about that. What I'm asking is for people to play in what they can (they would have done a certain amount of travelling anyhow) and get behind Ted while he tries to secure the future of the tour. There are comments here that state the obvious and are unhelpful (it's no good having all the events in one town, it will be too expensive for many people etc). They are unhelpful because they don't offer sensible alternative suggestions or acknowledge that it's a temporary situation that needs to be overcome. [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2006-11-16 14:05 ]
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Riggers
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Posted: 2006-11-16 14:10
On 2006-11-16 14:01 , dazzler Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Im sorry Riggers but i totally agree with what the Jackal has said, and also a great post from Rocky404!
At the end of the day Ted isnt doing this tour for the good of his health, and im sure he has a long term plan.
This, as we have heard is a "short term setback" but without the players there is nothing, and as Rocky404 said, its just not possible for some players to compete as the expenses/winnings just dont add up.
Lets hope this is a very short term thing....im sure we will hear the future plans for the bpppa this weekend at Nottingham.
Why be sorry Dazzler? I agree with a lot of what they said too. I never suggested the sort of 'ideal world' stuff Danny has been touting. I just don't like to see people wingeing about a difficult situation when there's no obvious alternative. I think Ted deserve the suppport of the players. I'm not saying that means they should go to every event when they can't afford it. [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2006-11-16 14:12 ]
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Rocky404
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Joined: 16-Nov-2006
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Posted: 2006-11-16 14:16
I find it hard to believe that only one club in the UK will allow Ted to hold an event there - sorry
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Pool-Ace
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Posted: 2006-11-16 14:17
Excellent post Rocky 404. I couldn't have put it better myself.
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Pool-Ace
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Posted: 2006-11-16 14:23
Riggers, I think the majority of the players are behind Ted. The reason they're 'whinging' as you put it is because they are disappointed that they will no longer be able to be a part of it.
Lets just hope that this is just a temporary set back and that next season we will be able to look back on this thread and wonder what all the fuss was about.
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indiana
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Posted: 2006-11-16 14:31
hope im not blind but there is no ranking event in victoria, surely they will help out in this temporary moment of crisis,
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expertfluke
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From: Hertfordshire
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Posted: 2006-11-16 15:09
Totally agree - there has to be at least one London club to help and surely - Victoria the home of champions is one? Also if you can get even one comp down south it might make others more likely to enter some in Manchester? [ This message was edited by: expertfluke on 2006-11-16 15:11 ]
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trevor
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Joined: 02-Sep-2006
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Posted: 2006-11-16 17:24
Am I missing something here? (probably) What exactly was this sponsorship money from Riley's, how much and where was it used? The players never saw it right? So if it paid Ted's expenses, then to coin a phrase or two why doesn't he 'scrimp and save' a bit, if he 'loves the game so much' etc etc like the rest of us!
The excellent post that said the tour is a product and us its customers is completely right, and talk that there is no alternative is rubbish! For me the main tour in this country is now the EPT and with APN and Mickey Flynns planning to hold comps next year there is plenty of alternative. Mr Dazzler made a fine point which does not seem to have been picked up on; why not use the membership fees to cover costs. The question of what happens to thousands of pounds of fees has been asked hundreds of times over the last few years so I'm not expecting an answer now.
Also, if you're a member of a club that the tour comes to don't you get a reduced entry fee? If so I'm joining Manchester!
For those who cant see the downside to the calender, take a step back and look at it like this... imagine this was posted:
'New monthly pool comp. Open to all players, same venue used each time, you will need 2 nights in a hotel plus the weekend off work. £45 a comp plus you have to pay a one off fee of £165 in order to play. Prize money to last 16. Can compile a ranking list if you want but it won't have any bearing on anything'
Who's interested??!!
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Rocky404
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Posted: 2006-11-16 17:40
Trevor - you are saying what a lot of people are thinking & fair play to you for doing so.
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RACKRUNNER21
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Joined: 19-Sep-2006
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From: Bristol
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Posted: 2006-11-16 17:44
Nice post Trevor, good idea about the joining manchester club but it seems that feature has been conveinently removed off the flyer! correct me if i'm wrong but didn't it used to say reduced fees if your local club on flyer?
Good point on extra membership fees too, where is the money going? especially now that if nearly all events are in Manchester and that being close for Ted as he lives in/near Manchester surely his expenses will be dramatically reduced?
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expertfluke
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Posted: 2006-11-16 18:08
Trevor is spot on - this thread is asking some serious questions about the BPPPA.
Love the idea of Trevor's - Imagine a new flyer appeared saying there was an expensive monthly comp with meaningless ranking points. The rankings have to mean something - because if you don't win cash the next best thing is collecting ranking points that go towards something. Maybe you could win a mug or a chalk holder or something?
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