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Mike_Abel
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Posted: 2007-03-13 14:12
Spot on Daryl, that was exactly my point, we've all got ideas on improvements and how we'd like things to run but there are very few people willing to put the time/money involved in making things happen. The APN guys have done a massive things for amatuer pool, similarly the EPT is at the higher end of the scale. I agree also that the Micky Flynns competitions are always well received but they are largely inaccessible for those that don't want to travel more than a couple of hours. If there are new ideas for competition formats or tours, then please present them but have some solid research facts to back up the claims why one tour is boring/useless and why a different idea would work. [ This message was edited by: lancaster_bomber on 2007-03-13 14:13 ]
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TheSurgeon
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Joined: 13-Mar-2006
Posts: 529
From: Leeds
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Posted: 2007-03-13 14:18
On 2007-03-13 13:36 , dazzler Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! You seem to know whats needed.....maybe you should run an amateur tour yourself!.....at the end of the day, talk is cheap and action is needed to make things happen! Awesome comment!! :o)- No disrespect, but many people are working hard to improve our game and whilst feedback is the cornerstone of what we do, it must be considered and not just slapped around! By all means suggest improvement, but think about what you write first!
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indiana
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Posted: 2007-03-13 14:22
this argument about tournaments keeps cropping up and its getting boring, uk pool has too many tourneys, too many different people wanting to start new tours etc etc i think there should be one main tour and if other people wanted to run a tourney should then have to be sanctioned by the main tour [ This message was edited by: indiana on 2007-03-13 14:23 ]
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jc
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Posts: 176
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Posted: 2007-03-13 14:56
It's a fact of life, people don't like one tour, they start another. Look at boxing, which is the worst offender, darts, WWF (  ) etc etc. You pay your money, you take your choice. Having a choice can only be good. If one product isn't working, it will die off through lack of money. Having 1 tour is the ideal, but what if that tour isn't working? If you've given all the power to this one tour ... then we're f... Let's see how it pans out. Survival of the fittest...
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boyzi
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Posted: 2007-03-13 15:20
great post jc................sense at last
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-03-13 16:04
great so thats settled.........enough highjackin! lol ........now back to the original thread! Have you entered the EPT London Open yet? ----------------- 
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TheSurgeon
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From: Leeds
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Posted: 2007-03-13 17:13
not yet, but will be doing.
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Buckster_uk
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Joined: 15-Mar-2006
Posts: 1967
From: Surrey
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Posted: 2007-03-13 17:31
Sending my money through now!
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The_Teach
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Posts: 184
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Posted: 2007-03-13 17:47
Will be paying tomorrow
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mrbuzz
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Posts: 326
From: Woking
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Posted: 2007-03-13 19:10
paid mine in club daryl. hopefully steve has confirmed it by email.
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Pool-Ace
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Posted: 2007-03-13 22:35
I'm already in and I know two others who are going to pay next week.
Can't wait!!!!
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-03-14 12:43
On 2007-03-13 19:10 , mrbuzz Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! paid mine in club daryl. hopefully steve has confirmed it by email. Mrbuzz......Steve HAS confirmed mate so your in! See you there -----------------
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jonni
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Posted: 2007-03-14 13:10
Hey Dazzla... how many entries so far? also, how many spots available? Still in my dilemma over Swiss Grand Prix or EPT Harrow... grrr... event clashes... Booohooo... 
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-03-14 13:16
Sorry mate, i dont say how many players are entered until the draw.....thats the way its been from the start of the EPT........i can say that entries are coming along very nicely! I know what you mean about those "Swiss" clashing dates with the EPT! -----------------
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sneakypete
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Joined: 08-Mar-2007
Posts: 141
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Posted: 2007-03-14 13:35
On 2007-03-13 13:36 , dazzler Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2007-03-13 12:23 , sneakypete Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2007-03-13 10:21 , lancaster_bomber Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2007-03-12 16:49 , sneakypete Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!!
Ps that apn looks like a right drag 12 weeks of going to your localclub to play 1-2 matches..It doesnt make sense to me.
Can you suggest a better option and have you tried it?
In the absence of anything else, the APN appears to be a step in the right direction and as for value for money and competition, its ideal for getting people involved at the lower levels of the game. So a big thanks to the leap of faith taken by the guys running/injecting the cash into it.
The EPT challenge tour should offer something for those in the mid-range skill bracket but until that happens........?
What i suggest is in stead of playing the apn as it is now,take a look how we do Bpppa do this version but then only for amateurs.For example 12 tournys a year per county with ranking and finalranking(there are a few options were you get even better value for your money).Also why are there no open tournys like in Holland,as well as the teamleague(proleague,div1,div2 etc),ranking tournys(knbb),there are also open tournys there must be at least 6 of them a year.The Mickey Flinns was an open tourny...but who wants to pay £500to get battered in the 1st round.
You seem to know whats needed.....maybe you should run an amateur tour yourself!.....at the end of the day, talk is cheap and action is needed to make things happen!
I would love to do something like that by the way,if you can get me in contact with the people involved or if you have the influence i will be happy to set something up.I think it could be part of a pro tour at the same time.Im not knocking anybody here whats been done by bpppa.apn and for that everything to do with pool is great and i hope the people involved keep doing a great job,i just think that the majority of tournys are been catered for the big guns.Thats not a bad thing as for promoting pool and to raise your game.I think if you not only want amateurs to watch pro players but play pool as well you have to do more than just an Apn event.Take Germany,holland for example they have like pro league.bundusliga and another 5leagues under that were players will compete against each other in teams of 3-6 people.On top of that house tournys(amateur) everyday,numerous open tournys and to top it of national ranking.The point im making is that theres plenty to do for amateur and pro.Over here i dont think thats the case yet yes enough to do for the pro.but the amateur???enter bpppa and lose in the 1st round.I think if you can do bpppa for amateurs there will be a base there so once good enough you can promote(enter) to pro bpppa.At the moment there is no middle ground.
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cusack_147
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Posted: 2007-03-14 13:44
The problem with doing BPPPA for amatuers is that you are bound to get a lot of BPPPA players entering to try and nick the prize money. Having an amateur tour would not work because strictly speaking 95% of BPPPA players are amateurs. I know you use Germany and Holland as examples, but over there american pool is the number 1 cuesport whereas over here it is snooker and even english pool is more prominent than american pool. There are lots of events, tours and leagues for snooker/english pool in this country much like those you have described in Germany and Holland. Until american pool becomes a bigger sport and a bigger cuepsort in this country we cannot expect to rival the level and amount of competitions as seen in the rest of Europe. [ This message was edited by: cusack_147 on 2007-03-14 13:53 ]
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sneakypete
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Joined: 08-Mar-2007
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Posted: 2007-03-14 13:46
On 2007-03-13 14:12 , lancaster_bomber Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Spot on Daryl, that was exactly my point, we've all got ideas on improvements and how we'd like things to run but there are very few people willing to put the time/money involved in making things happen.
The APN guys have done a massive things for amatuer pool, similarly the EPT is at the higher end of the scale.
I agree also that the Micky Flynns competitions are always well received but they are largely inaccessible for those that don't want to travel more than a couple of hours.
If there are new ideas for competition formats or tours, then please present them but have some solid research facts to back up the claims why one tour is boring/useless and why a different idea would work.
The reason i say the apn is not for me is cause i travel for over an hour to get to the pool club once there i dont want to leave after 1 maybe 2 matches i want to play all day preferably a tournament.with ring games and a load of strippers.
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sneakypete
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Posted: 2007-03-14 13:54
On 2007-03-14 13:44 , cusack_147 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! The problem with doing BPPPA for amatuers is that you are bound to get a lot of BPPPA players entering to try and nick the prize money. Having an amateur tour would not work because strictly speaking 95% of BPPPA players are amateurs.
I know you use Germany and Holland as examples, but over there american pool is the number 1 cuesport whereas over here it is snooker and even english pool is more prominent than american pool. There are lots of events, tours and leagues for snooker/english pool in this country much like those you have described in Germany and Holland. Until american pool becomes a bigger sport and a bigger cuepsort in this country we cannot expect to rival the level and amount of competitions as seen in the rest of Europe. yeah your right but i think the sooner we do something about it the sooner we will achieve what we want.About the bpppa 95% not pro i thought they were all pros or at least the top32 of them.Istill think that if you have seperate tournys you will get more players involved you dont know till you try things out,as for top players just entering for the money they will not be allowed to enter cause i will not allow players in the top 32 to enter these kind of tournys.
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-03-14 13:59
On 2007-03-14 13:54 , sneakypete Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2007-03-14 13:44 , cusack_147 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! The problem with doing BPPPA for amatuers is that you are bound to get a lot of BPPPA players entering to try and nick the prize money. Having an amateur tour would not work because strictly speaking 95% of BPPPA players are amateurs.
I know you use Germany and Holland as examples, but over there american pool is the number 1 cuesport whereas over here it is snooker and even english pool is more prominent than american pool. There are lots of events, tours and leagues for snooker/english pool in this country much like those you have described in Germany and Holland. Until american pool becomes a bigger sport and a bigger cuepsort in this country we cannot expect to rival the level and amount of competitions as seen in the rest of Europe.
yeah your right but i think the sooner we do something about it the sooner we will achieve what we want.About the bpppa 95% not pro i thought they were all pros or at least the top32 of them.Istill think that if you have seperate tournys you will get more players involved you dont know till you try things out,as for top players just entering for the money they will not be allowed to enter cause i will not allow players in the top 32 to enter these kind of tournys. What about if the are players who really are "top" players but elect not to be a member of such tours as bpppa.....so they dont have a ranking. Players like Lee Tucker, Kevin Smith, Anthony Ginn, Mike Valentine etc etc....the list goes on and on! ----------------- [ This message was edited by: dazzler on 2007-03-14 14:01 ]
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Riggers
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From: Barnsley (centre of the universe)
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Posted: 2007-03-14 14:01
Interstingly about Germany... I was talking to Ralph last week and he says he rarely plays in any competitions in Germany except the Euro tour. The reason being that there are so many local competitions all over the country catering for the average players that not enough people bother to attend the larger events with the top players. So (and these are my words not his) in effect I guess this means all those ameteur tournaments have killed off top level competetive pool in Germany.
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