Tourneys
Topic: EPT Liverpool Open

Mr Jedi, point taken sir, but you should understand that my original post was not aimed at "everyone who hasn't entered"!!!....simply at the players who moan about there not been enough quality events and then not having a go when there are!

And you are right that one of the ideas in making the EPT 8ball was because the IPT was around and that was the game that everyone was getting into, and as you say maybe this is changing again, maybe its time for the EPT to change i dont know?


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sorry daryl if i sounded mad but im sat here doing three lots of accounts and wages for 25 staff being told i should be ashamed of my self not from you i might add but some of the other posters

phil williamson

I can tell you one thing, we will be work even harder once we leave Liverpool, in order to make this tour a REAL success.
At the end of the day we want to give as much value as possible.
We wanted to pay the last 32 but that meant increasing the entry fee....as we dont want to pay peanuts!
Double elim will be looked at in some form i think too....dont worry Mr Jedi, i am listening......thats why the EPT is the players tour.


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PPFFfffff!!!!!! 25 staff?.......and i was here thinking you had 26!




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On 2007-02-02 10:45 , dazzler Wrote:

i have but the last one is me and as you are learning the boss doesnt always get paid

nice one!





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alot of these comments have been very useful, even if a few are unhappy, the light is there for all to see.

its clear to me that when 8-ball was first on the scene it was like a breath of fresh air to us all, coz the only game in the uk on 9foot tables was 9ball in the last 12 years, with doug and teds tour and to be honest i kinda preffered 8ball coz i felt i had a chance in every rack, unlike 9ball where it was 70/30 in the breakers favour. you could even have bets on wether the non-breaker would get out of his chair.

i think big daves point is spot on if the points are taken from your best 5 results then players simply wont go to every tour stop, in a way daryl its a good thing, sometimes its hard to cover evrey angle in organizing events and at the end of the day you cant satisfy everyone. next time look try to look at what events will be on in that city over the weekend although i dont think the derby has anything to do wit the low turnout.

you have seen what a few players have said daryl and you are in the right place to take care of these things, i dont think i say this alone that you are respected by all,

the one thing i think this country has to get right is how many tours are going on, this is a shambles, once a tour looks like folding someone else comes along and thinks they can do a better job its ridiculous, all that will happen is the best players just wont bother anymore, they will all play elsewhere.

what is going on with the bpppa? with all due respect to ted if his health is not 100% then what is more important,

basically daryl the empire pool tour should be the main tour now all you need to do is add a few 9ball events to the calendar and i think you will have everyone turning out.

my fingers are numb

and another point if players really go to tournaments hoping not to play top players then pack your cues away,

its all in the learning poeple

when i go to euro tours i honestly cant wait to play ortmann or souquet,feijen, peach

we all like watching them on tv yet dont want to actually play them

crazy

i agree lets have one tour well organised with a mix of events 8,9 and 10 ball

12 events per year

8 at 9 ball 3 at 8 and one 10

we then have a good mix well spaced out and all pulling in one direction the overall winner will be the best at american pool.

needs more thought i know but this will leave plenty of time for APN events and euro and trips to far flung places for world events.

everyone in the uk could make the events and the rankings would reflect reality

On 2007-02-02 11:19 , pooljedi Wrote:

too many events, this part of the problem 2 of each is plenty

at the moment we have 10(bpppa) + 6(EPT)+ the new 10 ball i think was gonna be 4

thats 20 in total

Yes it needs a lot of thought and imput from the players themselves.....i will try to speak to everyone at the event this weekend for a start.
And then work from there.
Indiana, even though its not a great turnout this weekend, i am still positive that we will succeed in making a UK supertour, where everyone wants to play on it!
I suppose at the end of the day, as already mentioned....we have had a few overseas events in the past couple of weeks which a lot of our players have attended, we have bppa next week in Manchester, and we have Eurotour a coupl of weeks later.

A busy few weeks.....and a lot of expense, so taking all that into consideration i guess 69 entrants is quite positive.


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On a different note - is there parking at or near the venue.

Cheers.

And why does 9 ball always have to be the leading candidate? Why not an even split of events?

Also, I think the UK does need a national federation to look after the interests of the sport. So whilst the EPT is providing a great tour I do not see this as a replacement for the BPPPA. I know from players council members that the BPPPA is now working very hard to make the improvements we've all been calling for.

Many people were complaining about the prize funds on BPPPA events but you only have to look at the EPT to see that paying a decent first prize and also paying down to last 32 = LOSS!

This is unstustainable so my view now after seeing this feedback is, and this applies to BPPPA, EPT and any other UK tour that is trying to attract good turnouts (obviously restricted special events such as grand masters are different), that you need to work to the following set of principals:

- Pay down to the last 16 to allow you to reduce the entry fee accordingly.
- Play down to the last 16 on day 1
- Advertise prize fund breakdowns for 64, 96 and 128 entrants so players know what the best and worst case scenario is (unless, like the EPT, you are prepared to guarantee the funds and run at a potential loss).

On 2007-02-02 10:34 , dazzler Wrote:

Daryl please dont change it to 9 ball!!!!!

There are a few unnecessary comments on here. One particular comment that "the game is full of idiots" is completely uncalled for.

Why is someone an idiot because they're not prepared to give up £90 of their hard earned cash to one of 6-8 who will win the event? The players who dont have regular jobs and play all the time dont have a god given right to take money off those players who only get to play a couple of times a week.
Its wrong to call them idiots because I can completely understand why. Boyzi - perhaps other people arent relying on pool for cash so therefore they're not pressuring people to pay top money to enter comps so you can win it all!

The EPT is a great tour, and people do see what they are trying to achieve however there are a couple of things that need to be addressed:

1) Single elimination is in my opinion wrong. If you're holding an event in Liverpool, then someone has to pay £90 entry fee, £50 hotel & perhaps £50 on petrol if they live down south before even potting a ball. Thats £200. Because its so far away, you would have to arrange a hotel beforehand.
Thats a lot of cash to pay, and then find out you've drawn Daryl or Mark Gray. Potentially thats tournament over in an hour & a half & then you're at least £200 down.
Double elimination gives people more of a chance & they get more value for money.

2) Location - with all the uproar about BPPPA being held in Manchester every single time, perhaps holding the first EPT tour event of 2007 in Liverpool wasnt the greatest idea. Im sure its a great club, but as mentioned before, it costs a lot for people to go.
Lets be honest, any business should go where the market is. In my opinion, and I could be wrong, I would say the vast majority of players would prefer events to be held in the midlands or south. If you had a list of all players that turn up regularly to pool events, my guess would be there are more southerners.

Again, this is just my opinion, but in order to get high amounts of regular runners, the tour needs to be accessible.
Im pretty sure my theory would be proved, and you would have had 100+ runners had the 1st stop been in London. Its fact - out of all the BPPPA tour stops, which ones got the highest amount of runners each time? Answer: London & surrounding areas.

Understood Rocky, but there are things to consider which many people dont mention or know about, including yourself.

1, A big, big factor in all of this "north/south" thing is when the clubs are prepared to hold the events....i.e when they will be ready to re-cloth their tables etc.

2, Then there is the fact that we a very limited to how many clubs have enough tables to run an event smoothly.

3, In the past when bppa were attracting bigger fields, the majority of players were moaning about how long they were sat around waiting to play a match......this was because of the larger fields and double elimination.
The 2 dont go hand in hand when you havn't got 32 tables to use!.......in fact, 16 tables isn't enough.

Then, for the players who get beat early.....thats why we have a flyer on the sunday where you very less likely meet a Peach, Gray, Boyes, Appleton, Hill etc.
In each event we have held, the winner of the flyer has won between £200/£350 and its been complete by 5pm!


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On 2007-02-02 13:21 , glossopscratcher Wrote:

Glossop, as some have already mentioned......a mix might work better, but with an overall ranking.

We will have to look into it all.


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i been playing this game since i was 15 years old..granted i shouldnt of said idots but wen u have had the last 12 months ive had u start to get off with it all...same old line for me..wait e see wot happens