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posticon   Posted: 2013-06-23 05:57

OMG... All we need now is the World 9 Ball Championships to come home and we're really cooking on gas... Until then, this is great news for European pool fans!

Look at last year's player list....

2012 WORLD CUP OF POOL

EUROPE (15)

1.    Austria (12)    Albin Ouschan & Mario He
2.    Belgium    Serge Das & Cliff Castelein
3.    Croatia    Karlo Dalmatin & Philipp Stojanovic
4.    England (3)    Chris Melling & Darren Appleton
5.    Finland (16)    Mika Immonen & Petri Makkonen
6.    Germany (1)    Ralf Souquet & Thorsten Hohmann
7.    Holland (7)    Nick van den Berg & Huidji See
8.    Hungary    Miko Balázs & Gabor Solymosi
9.    Italy (15)    Bruno Muratore & Fabio Petroni
10.    Poland (10)    Karol Skowerski & Wojciech Szewcyk
11.    Russia    Konstantin Stepanov & Vitaly Pavlukhin
12.    Serbia    Andrea Klasovic & Zoran Svilar
13.    Spain (13)    David Alcaide & Francisco Diaz-Pizarro
14.    Sweden    Marcus Chamat & Andreas Gerwen
15.    Switzerland    Dmitri Jungo & Ronni Regli

ASIA (13)
16.    China (4)    Liu Haitao & Lee Hewen
17.    Chinese Taipei (6)    Han En Hsu & Hsin Ting Chen
18.    Hong Kong    Lee Chenman & Kenny Kwok
19.    India    Raj Hundal & Amar Kang
20.    Indonesia    Roy Apanco & Muhammad Bewi Simanjuntak
22.    Japan (11)    Naoyuki Oi & Satoshi Kawabata
22.    Korea    Ryu Seung Woo & Lee Wan Su
23.    Malaysia    Patrick Ooi Fook Yuen & Ibrahim Bin Amir
24.    Philippines A (2)    Dennis Orcollo & Lee Vann Corteza
25.    Philippines B ( 8 )    Efren Reyes & Francisco Bustamante
26.    Singapore    Aloysius Yapp & Chan Keng Kwang
27.    Thailand (14)    Nitiwat Kanjanasri & Kobkit Palajin
28.    Vietnam    Nguyen Anh Tuan & Do The Kien

REST OF THE WORLD (4)
29.    Australia    Dave Reljic & Ian Barber
30.    Canada (9)    Alex Pagulayan & John Morra
31.    Kuwait    Abdullah Al Yousef & Omar Al Shaheen
32.    USA (5)    Shane Van Boening & Rodney Morris


On a scale on 1 to 10 - how cool is this? :wave:

Who's going to be watching this?


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posticon   Posted: 2013-06-23 13:54

will be awesome very nice well done matchroom



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posticon   Posted: 2013-06-25 19:36

who will play in the 2nd Team England. Do we not get 2 teams as the home nation?



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posticon   Posted: 2013-06-25 19:47

Good call... I was kind of hoping people would get more excited about this, as it's at York Hall and all... Anyone else going?



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posticon   Posted: 2013-06-25 19:51

if England as the host nation do get 2teams then there is bound to be a debate about who the other pairing wd be Boyes Gray Peach Majid Osborne plus others i havent mentioned so hear goes for my two bobsworth i,d plump for Messrs Gray and Peach and my reason is not anything other than a few years back they got to the final which i think is the best result thus far by an English team i know theyre are a few people who will disagree but every person has and is entitled to an opinion and for what its worth thats mine



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posticon   Posted: 2013-06-25 20:01

Melling/Appleton - prob most consistent internationally at the moment

Majid/Gray - Current official UK No.1 & 2


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posticon   Posted: 2013-06-25 20:09

Jaymo you have an make a fair point England does have its fair share of top quality players and you could perm any two of those and have a very strong England B team i probably would be inclined to pick your choice as a pair myself both very steady and in Peach we have a former world champion always a good player to have in your side and in Gray always a consistent performer and also current UK Number 1 i,m sure there will be plenty of opinions posted on this thread which i look forward to reading. Hopefully England willl get 2 spots at this event



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posticon   Posted: 2013-06-25 22:20

I'd love to see Scotland get through qualifying.



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posticon   Posted: 2013-06-30 20:55

Riggers?? Who is playing for Scotland. J Shaw & ??

From a personal point of view it would be great for me to play in this again, only ever had 1 outing in this great tournament and got to final with D Peach, so feel i deserve another shot at it.. Also currently Gb No1 so hopefully in with chance......

                     Mark " Granite " Gray.



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posticon   Posted: 2013-07-01 07:16

in my opinion only 4 guys can get a spot...

no disrespect to gb9 tour ... but its a national tour with some players missing events ..

you got to proof yourself on the big stage and in the last 12-18 months only 4-5 guys in the big tournaments sweating blood to do well and make the invitational events..

myself world no 1 and world 9ball champion .. karl world no 7.. guiness spped pool chammp 5th place world 9ball, 9th place china open,9th place ultiate 10ball,and just won great southern classic 10ft challenge.so be amazed if us two are not in a team.

obviously chris always dangerous although last 12 months not been his best ..he part of last two mosconi cups and mvp.3rd place world 8ball last year.

then daryl been traveling to all big events worldwide and lot of success in europe plus his the highest ranked brit on euro tour rankings ... and us 4 are the highest engish guys on world rankings.

i cant see a case for anyone else... am afraid. maybe only phil burford in with a shout but maybe not done enough yet imo.

we will find out soon enough.:-)


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posticon   Posted: 2013-07-01 07:36

Isn't gb9 rankings being used for the World Pool Masters. Imo should be used for the world cup aswell then. Not chopping and changing criteria!!



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On 2013-07-01 07:36 , Northernpotter Wrote:

!!! QUOTE !!!

Isn't gb9 rankings being used for the World Pool Masters. Imo should be used for the world cup aswell then. Not chopping and changing criteria!!


no world masters 3 players already got picked.. other 1 spot qualify from gb9.

world cup scotch doubles two teams

a gb9 is a national tour... decent tournaments.. but world events are a step above in level and pressure... players should be picked from major events and big tournaments worldwide.. not winning a gb9 playing on table 22 in corner of room with nobody watching.

the top pros that travel worldwide and play all big events world wide pay out 15-30k a year with a goal to win a major or be close and hopefully make the invitational events ..matchroom events world cup/world pool masters/mosconi /challenge of champions/world team plus odd other invitational event.

these are the guys that deserves the spots. the guys that sacrifice the most and are the most consistant on the big stage..

obviously myself been the most consistant on world stage last few years and then karl last 12 months made a comeback and daryl and chris next... and we all won major titles also last 6 years.

stayig at home and playing gb9 and missing most of the big tournaments worldwide and when do play dont do too good. doesnt really justify a chance to play the invitational events for me.

its pretty easy pick imo.

am sure common sense will prevail when the teams are picked.

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posticon   Posted: 2013-07-01 08:21

Imo even if one spot is used from gb9 rankings then should be used for other comps aswell. Maybe other national players dont have the chance or sponsors to travel worldwide....doesnt mean they should be discounted. Osborne, Burford, Majid, Shaw, Grey all great players.Imo the national tour should be given more credibility not degraded!



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posticon   Posted: 2013-07-01 08:28

they all get same chance and most of them have traveled to big events... but not been as good as us 4 simple.

there all very good players... burford doing his traveling now so i think he will make it as he gets better and stronger..

if your good enough u find sponsors or backers or u do well and make it oay yourself simple...

jayson scottish so he cant play for england in world cup
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but in last 12 months the 4 guys i mentioned should be in the team we done the best. stats dont lie..

if u dont put the work in and get the success u dont deserve to get a spots simple...



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posticon   Posted: 2013-07-01 09:03

Yeah but we want to see new fresh talent not same ole faces. Mike Valentine aswell should play for our Scotland. Guess its upto the promoters end of the day not the players even if you are ranked no1 in the world you shouldnt be allowed to dictate who gets in but you can have your opinion.



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On 2013-07-01 09:03 , Northernpotter Wrote:

!!! QUOTE !!!

Yeah but we want to see new fresh talent not same ole faces. Mike Valentine aswell should play for our Scotland. Guess its upto the promoters end of the day not the players even if you are ranked no1 in the world you shouldnt be allowed to dictate who gets in but you can have your opinion.


i dont dictate who gets in... nothing to do with me.am just giving all my knowledge and professional opinion on what matchroom will do.. but whatever am sure matchroom will do the right thing and reward the guys that work the hardest and deserve to get in on results worldwide.

the fresh talent if good enough will get there chance one day nothing lasts forever... but they got to proof they worthy of a spot which not easy... i was young too once also.

if they got the desire work ethic /determination/knowledge/bottle/talent.. they will no doubt make it.. until then imo u go with the guys who are currently doing the business on the world stage and risking 15-30k a year living 4-6 months of the year out of a suitcase with all the stress in the world. and no guaranteed money back esp profit.. but if we do well we expect to get reward by gaining spots into invitational tournaments with a bit of guaranteed cash and potential to win a big cheque and get the exposure we deserve for our talent and hard work at our chosen PROFESSION.

but if in your opinion..they should pick players from a amatuer tour in england then thats fine...if matchroom or other pool promotors go down that road then maybe us professionals will look for a day job also.. and just play locally also if thats the criteria going forward.. we will see..

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posticon   Posted: 2013-07-01 18:37

Darren you as usual have made some very good points about players travelling an risking their own money without guarantee of success but one point I dnt agree with is your comment saying about sponsorship or backers and if ur good enough you will get them especially in these times of austerity as Mark Gray is definitely good enough he just hasn't been lucky to get sponsorship as of yet and before anybody jumps on me back im saying this openly and honestly and not as a mate of marks but back on the topic of who shd play England will have two fine sides whoever plays. Scotch doubles isn't necessarily a game where the two best players pair up and guarantee a win its about how they play for each other complimenting each others game that's one of the reasons id go for Peach an Gray they play well together as their last appearance proves



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On 2013-07-01 18:37 , jaymo Wrote:

!!! QUOTE !!!

Darren you as usual have made some very good points about players travelling an risking their own money without guarantee of success but one point I dnt agree with is your comment saying about sponsorship or backers and if ur good enough you will get them especially in these times of austerity as Mark Gray is definitely good enough he just hasn't been lucky to get sponsorship as of yet and before anybody jumps on me back im saying this openly and honestly and not as a mate of marks but back on the topic of who shd play England will have two fine sides whoever plays. Scotch doubles isn't necessarily a game where the two best players pair up and guarantee a win its about how they play for each other complimenting each others game that's one of the reasons id go for Peach an Gray they play well together as their last appearance proves


yes but thats 5 years ago... u got to earn your spot surely same in any sport... mark and few other guys played plenty of seasons on the circuit and sadly didnt do the business..regards winning something big .. they not done too good on the big stage in the big tournaments... so they had opportunity just didnt quite work for them its easily done and of course mark and others good players, its tough school in these big events all aspects of your game got to be there and some more.

obviously this year the likes of mark not been traveling to play big tournaments for whatever reason thats upto them,so of course in my opinion the other guys doing well the past year or so deserve to be picked.. simple..

they put the airmiles in the cash the time and the battlescars along the way... and come with the goods at certain points so obviously they the guys that should be picked.

myself and karl should be in for sure imo .... but thats upto matchroom

and am sure chris will get a spot and imo daryl peach ...if not then for me burford next in line....

but you can have your imo of course ...

all i know if i wasnt traveling the circuit anymore i wouldn't expect a spot and would feel bad for the guys that are more deserving doing that yearly grind worldwide ..

we will see .. the teams were supposed to be announced last week

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posticon   Posted: 2013-07-02 09:14

If it is an invitational event, it seems hard to imagine Matchroom going for relative unknowns taken from an amateur tour.

For example, in the unlikely event that, say, the top well known players such as Darren were unavailable for whatever reason, what seems more likely is they will go for a snooker name rather than an unknown pool player.

As Hendry has turned to pool, he could get a pick for example.

Plenty of snooker players have played in Mosconi cup teams - for their names, not their ability to play pool.
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posticon   Posted: 2013-07-02 11:06

I don't really appreciate the knocking of the GB 9 Ball Tour and calling it amateur. GB9 is the Official Professional Tour for the UK and IMO its rankings should be used for events such as this, as they are for the World Pool Masters.

I agree with some of what Daz says and agree that the 'A' team should be picked as he suggests. But when a country has a choice of 'B' team I think that countries Professional tour rankings should be used.

All the top UK professional 9-ball players play on GB9 except for Daz (and he would play too if he lived in the UK), and those players should be rewarded for supporting THEIR Professional tour.


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