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BigDave
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Joined: 13-Mar-2006
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From: England
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Posted: 2012-09-29 23:35
Well, you mentioned Pro9 so I guess I can answer this one... My understanding is that GB9 are perfectly willing to answer direct enquiries at any time through the recommended channels, so no one should feel left in the dark, but some people can be prone to silliness in the forums, especially when they have an anonymous account, so they prefer not to do it here... Makes sense to me, as it only takes one malcontent with an axe to grind to ruin a discussion that could have provided some really useful feedback.
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Soy_Cubano
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Joined: 29-Sep-2012
Posts: 2
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Posted: 2012-09-29 23:55
That's a fair enough answer Dave to a certain degree but as Pro9 is the only American Pool website in the UK of any note it seems strange that GB9 wish to distance themselves from questions on it. It just appears to a lot of people as though there are financial dealings they wish to remain secret.
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finisher
Home away from home
Joined: 03-Jan-2010
Posts: 411
From: west yorkshire
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Posted: 2012-09-30 00:49
Jesus Christ! Problems your lot who slagging tour off. The tour is most organized best tour I ever played on or been part of. Lots of top folk that do it, if ya dunt like it, dunt play on it. Why loose it off on ere wen all they try do is rait by every1. Some folk never happy. Gb9 staff n folk that help art quality. Thank god for them cos I love playing on this tour n if it want for em they wunt be much else. Your lot that wanna loose it off knob heads, if ya dunt like it dunt play.....simples!!!
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-Dazza-
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Joined: 27-Jun-2007
Posts: 818
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Posted: 2012-09-30 07:03
On 2012-09-30 00:49 , finisher Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Jesus Christ! Problems your lot who slagging tour off. The tour is most organized best tour I ever played on or been part of. Lots of top folk that do it, if ya dunt like it, dunt play on it. Why loose it off on ere wen all they try do is rait by every1. Some folk never happy. Gb9 staff n folk that help art quality. Thank god for them cos I love playing on this tour n if it want for em they wunt be much else. Your lot that wanna loose it off knob heads, if ya dunt like it dunt play.....simples!!! Not debating that it's run poorly or the fact that i'm personally dissing it!! I've played on it before and it is run fantastically well, but if GB9 want to recruit new members/players which i believe they do, i feel that questions need to be answered. Seeing as though most of the questions are being posted on here then why not answer them on here?? If there is nothing to hide regards where all this surplus money that everyone seems to be going on about is going then why not declare for all to see?? Keeping it all locked away under lock and key certainly will not get the new numbers they are searching for. If 90% of you lot want to give in excess of £1000 a year to these with no cash return cos you have to get into the latter stages of the events just to break even then crack on!! It's just not for me as i have better things to spend my money on. The questions still need to be answered though otherwise numbers are gonna be on the decline IMO [ This message was edited by: -Dazza- on 2012-09-30 07:12 ]
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finisher
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Joined: 03-Jan-2010
Posts: 411
From: west yorkshire
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Posted: 2012-09-30 09:50
On 2012-09-30 07:03 , -Dazza- Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2012-09-30 00:49 , finisher Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Jesus Christ! Problems your lot who slagging tour off. The tour is most organized best tour I ever played on or been part of. Lots of top folk that do it, if ya dunt like it, dunt play on it. Why loose it off on ere wen all they try do is rait by every1. Some folk never happy. Gb9 staff n folk that help art quality. Thank god for them cos I love playing on this tour n if it want for em they wunt be much else. Your lot that wanna loose it off knob heads, if ya dunt like it dunt play.....simples!!!
Not debating that it's run poorly or the fact that i'm personally dissing it!!
I've played on it before and it is run fantastically well, but if GB9 want to recruit new members/players which i believe they do, i feel that questions need to be answered. Seeing as though most of the questions are being posted on here then why not answer them on here??
If there is nothing to hide regards where all this surplus money that everyone seems to be going on about is going then why not declare for all to see??
Keeping it all locked away under lock and key certainly will not get the new numbers they are searching for.
If 90% of you lot want to give in excess of £1000 a year to these with no cash return cos you have to get into the latter stages of the events just to break even then crack on!!
It's just not for me as i have better things to spend my money on.
The questions still need to be answered though otherwise numbers are gonna be on the decline IMO Well send em direct email then!!! The gb9 staff been very clear about posting on forums n told people if any questions to email them
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-Dazza-
Home away from home
Joined: 27-Jun-2007
Posts: 818
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Posted: 2012-09-30 10:15
Surely though if questions are answered in a public forum for all to see it will prevent keep answering the same questions via email over and over again??
Tell me if i'm wrong??
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watchdog
Just popping in
Joined: 28-Sep-2012
Posts: 15
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Posted: 2012-09-30 10:21
Ask the right questions and you will have no problems getting a response from GB9. They will happily answer you on a public forum and you won't be directed to make private contact.
Try it. Start a new thread asking questions like,
How much does it cost to enter?
Where do I send my cheque?
What's the prize money?
How much is the hotel?
Ask those questions even in public and you will be fine.
However if you ask the wrong questions especially in public then you're slagging the best tour off. You will ruin it for others. You're just jealous.
And then you get called all sorts and get abused for having the audacity to ask those questions.
If asking questions and seeking the truth leads to the demise of GB9, it won't be the fault of the person asking the questions. It will be a result of GB9 failing to function as a proper and responsible entity.
If as the GB9 Chairperson suggests on the first page of this thread, the players fund the costs of the tour with over £25,000, then the players have a right know every financial detail of the tour.
If the players fund the costs, what happens to revenue from sponsors?
If there are no sponsors, are the banners from various companies placed around the venue for free?
What happens to the revenue raised from players staying at the hotel?
If GB9 receives no money then why must players be required to stay at the hotel at an inflated rate when other options are available?
What happens to revenue raised through other avenues such as rent for on site retail and fees paid by non touring players?
Are the tables still being paid for as is suggested by the GB9 Chairperson?
If yes and the players fund the payments, then those tables are the property of the players.
Should those tables be sold at a later date, would players past and present receive anything for their investment?
These are reasonable questions. No slagging off or name calling.
Answers to these questions will assist old and new players in making an informed decision about joining the tour.
Answers will benefit the players not hurt them. Transparency will end speculation not threaten the survival of GB9.
Keep asking questions.
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GiantKiller
Just can't stay away
Joined: 16-Jul-2010
Posts: 111
From: Leicester
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Posted: 2012-09-30 10:44
Does Gb9 have an Agm? If no then that would solve all these questions
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Robbed
Just can't stay away
Joined: 25-Jul-2011
Posts: 71
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Posted: 2012-09-30 12:44
Got to agree with Watchdog here - sunlight is the best disinfectant. There should be nothing to fear from being transparent - unless there is something to hide?
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nicknameless
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Joined: 10-Jan-2007
Posts: 560
From: Birmingham
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Posted: 2012-10-01 13:05
I was chairperson of GB9 for 2 years prior to Andy. As a committee we've had a policy not to discuss things on here, as more often than not in the past it has degenerated for the reasons Big Dave has outlined. That doesn't mean GB9 isn't transparent and won't address questions put. Totally different things.
I shouldn't be posting this and I'll apologise to the remainder of the committee in advance for doing so but it really is sickening to read some of the comments and open questioning of motives, particularly financial after the work that everyone on the committee has put in (for nothing).
Just as a flavour - in the 2 years prior to this I used 25 days of my annual leave to help deliver GB9, with no financial remuneration whatsoever. That doesn't include the work put in at weekends and evenings, again for nothing. I have had to stop that level of input I was giving as it was damaging my career and impacting in other areas of my life.
I am by no means the person who has done the most work, or sacrificed the most, and for no reward other than to achieve a tour which as pool players first and foremost we'd never had before.
GB9 is not perfect and neither are the people running it but they have always tried to act in the best interests of their fellow players, to the best of their ability, and without financial reward. The one thing that GB9 has proven beyond reasonable doubt is that there are very few people out there who are willing to do something for other peoples' benefit without some sort of reward, but there are plenty of people willing to question motives without knowing any of the facts, or knowing the people who they are talking about.
My first and last post on here for some time.
Jonathan Mathers.
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Just can't stay away
Joined: 23-Jun-2008
Posts: 115
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Posted: 2012-10-01 13:10
Well said Jonathan
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The-Omen
Home away from home
Joined: 10-Nov-2008
Posts: 165
From: Bournemouth
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Posted: 2012-10-01 14:05
I agree with what Finisher and Unique are saying if you don't like it don't play on the tour, I think what Gb9 have acheived over the last few years is amazing and people don't realise the work the GB9 team put in to give us the opportunity to play on a professional pool tour, I had no hesitation in paying my deposit over the weekend and am looking forward to the exciting changes and venues next season, If you want to play tournament condition pool and enjoy a weekend away at the same time then sign up, My only concern is the choice of music GB9 played as for the forth event in a row this track was played!! http://youtu.be/HhuzjkE65f8I nearly miscued on my break!! But at least someone enjoyed it as out of the corner of my eye I could see Daryl Peach singing to it and seemed to know all of the words! I therefore recommend they use the extra cash they save to upgrade there CD collection!! 
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Windyspurs
Just can't stay away
Joined: 06-Apr-2010
Posts: 143
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Posted: 2012-10-01 16:13
I personally would not ask questions on here or any other public forum. If you have questions or queries, use the right channels or ask them in person instead of hiding behind your Pro9 user i.d. I have had no problems with GB9 and i will sign up for my 5th year on the tour. Yes its expensive, and yes an AGM is a good idea.
Some of the users who have posted on here have either not played or have and don't intend to. One in particular, has no desire to play, and only turns up to the odd T9, then disappears for a couple of years, leaving a wake of stirring up trash as they go on their merry way.
I have every faith that GB9 tour will keep improving as the years go by and i hope an affiliation to a well known Sponsor and a tour changing deal is only round the corner.
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Windyspurs
Just can't stay away
Joined: 06-Apr-2010
Posts: 143
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Posted: 2012-10-01 16:15
Ps Please remove any tracks from the CD collection from the Spitting Image album, and any other go to the bathroom poor novelty albums that grate you when you're playing !
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Rip-Off-Britain
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Joined: 02-Oct-2012
Posts: 2
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Posted: 2012-10-03 08:48
Have a day off Watchdog.
You come on here bad mouthing Britain's Prestigious,Premier, Professional Pool Tour.
You fail to report anything positive so I will do it for you.
For that £25,000 you claim GB9 take, It offers the Professional Pool Players of Britain an opportunity to earn top wages.
I worked out that based on the payouts for a 128 player field for 2013, with there being 5 different victors over the season, each player will go home with well over £1000 for the season after expenses.
That's earnings of over £200 per weekend.
Now tell me where else on these British Isles will you find sports stars earning that kind of money?
GB9 have created many HUNDREDNAIRES in the past and will continue to do so in 2013. If one player were to scoop all 5 events then you can add a THOUSANDNAIRE to that impressive list.
So please report both sides of the argument next time you dare to talk about our Professional Tour.
Proud of GB9 and Proud to be British.
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PH
Home away from home
Joined: 01-Jan-2011
Posts: 350
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Posted: 2012-10-03 09:19
LOL... I go to sleep at night dreaming of becoming a THOUSANDNAIRE! 
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BMW
Just can't stay away
Joined: 03-Oct-2012
Posts: 128
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Posted: 2012-10-03 09:32
On 2012-09-30 00:49 , finisher Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Jesus Christ! Problems your lot who slagging tour off. The tour is most organized best tour I ever played on or been part of. Lots of top folk that do it, if ya dunt like it, dunt play on it. Why loose it off on ere wen all they try do is rait by every1. Some folk never happy. Gb9 staff n folk that help art quality. Thank god for them cos I love playing on this tour n if it want for em they wunt be much else. Your lot that wanna loose it off knob heads, if ya dunt like it dunt play.....simples!!! sounds like a drunken post
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Administrator
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Posted: 2012-10-03 10:22
As admin at Pro9, I get to see some strange and sad things, and this isn't the first time I've seen someone open a second forum account and have an argument with themselves.
Whilst I never reveal anonymous account holders ID's as I believe they are protected by the Data Protection Act (except to the Police in cases of threatening posts, and this has never happened yet) I do think it illustrates the lack of credibility some forum posters should be treated with when both accounts are as outspoken as these two.
So, as I close both accounts, say goodbye to "Watchdog" and "Rip-Off-Britain" and review their most recent posts and assess the credibility you wish to assign to their forum posts, when it's plain as day to any admin, that they clearly share the same IP address and although it's a mathematical and physical possibility that they are separate people, the odds are infinitesimally small, despite the latter now criticising the former, coincidentally in an almost identical style!
We've been pretty lucky at Pro9 to have a knowledgeable and helpful bunch of forum contributors, and I'll be blocking anyone else who emulates this silliness.
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ZakShep
Not too shy to talk
Joined: 12-Jun-2012
Posts: 22
From: Caldicot, South Wales
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Posted: 2012-10-03 11:49
On 2012-10-03 10:22 , Administrator Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! As admin at Pro9, I get to see some strange and sad things, and this isn't the first time I've seen someone open a second forum account and have an argument with themselves.
Whilst I never reveal anonymous account holders ID's as I believe they are protected by the Data Protection Act (except to the Police in cases of threatening posts, and this has never happened yet) I do think it illustrates the lack of credibility some forum posters should be treated with when both accounts are as outspoken as these two.
So, as I close both accounts, say goodbye to "Watchdog" and "Rip-Off-Britain" and review their most recent posts and assess the credibility you wish to assign to their forum posts, when it's plain as day to any admin, that they clearly share the same IP address and although it's a mathematical and physical possibility that they are separate people, the odds are infinitesimally small, despite the latter now criticising the former, coincidentally in an almost identical style!
We've been pretty lucky at Pro9 to have a knowledgeable and helpful bunch of forum contributors, and I'll be blocking anyone else who emulates this silliness. lmao, some people in pool r just crazy.... 
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BMW
Just can't stay away
Joined: 03-Oct-2012
Posts: 128
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Posted: 2012-10-03 12:18
pool worlds gone mad lol
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