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sixtonine
Quite a regular Joined: 21-Dec-2009 Posts: 66
From: Sheffield
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Posted: 2012-09-28 10:37
The prize payout is less than the total entry fees, which has been addressed on first page and answered by cueman as costs of running it which is fair enough.
The cost of the hotel room does not all go to the hotel company. I think the tour get at least half. So say every player pays minimum £80 a weekend if sharing (not everyone shares) and minimum 100 players (always more) then there's another £4k+ per event. That's £20,000 minimum for a season. Would be interesting to know what that money is being used for. Would be nice to think there can be more money put into the prizefund. If there is a huge plan of making bigger events in the future and a cash flow is being built up for this then my bad, i'll keep opinions to myself.
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unique
Home away from home Joined: 06-Sep-2009 Posts: 1917
From: South elmsall
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Posted: 2012-09-28 11:26
On 2012-09-28 08:05 , dalevairy Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! well for instance to 3500 main event prize could easily be 2500 freeing up 1000 to spread over the event, 2500 is a good days work in anyones book.
u say "top players", im new to this but i know by looking at thinks and reading certain things that there are only a handful of top players in this country
peach melling boyes hundal majid shaw appleton (when he is here) osbourne (when in prasctice)
there the only top players all the rest are decent club players Probably a basic error but you've missed my name off that list pal  ----------------- Mr Dockerty to you boys
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JimBrownPool
Just popping in Joined: 26-Sep-2012 Posts: 4
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Posted: 2012-09-28 11:33
players pay in the money for the season miss a tour stop, they are still expected to pay the money, a reserve comes in and pays again and there is no money added? So where does that money go? The cue shop pays to be there so where does there money go? There are so many ways GB9 are making side money
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stox
Just can't stay away Joined: 14-Mar-2006 Posts: 131
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Posted: 2012-09-28 11:49
It's rare that I post on here but I thought I'd offer you my thoughts on some of this. I've played on the old Pro9 tour (Dougs tour), the BPPPA and also the GB9 tour and it's fair to say that the GB9 guys have done an amazing job in creating the most professional tour that we've had by quite a margin. No longer do players have to play on sub standard equipment, wait for hours not knowing when their next match might be etc etc but all of this comes at a price. Personally I believe that the tour is very expensive these days and I think GB9 should be slightly more transparent with regard to where the money goes. I dropped off of the tour 2 years ago due to having surgery on my shoulder but I'm not even considering rejoining the tour now due to a number of reasons. Firstly the cost, it's just too expensive now for what is essentially a hobby. I also believe that the prize fund structure is far too top heavy and this will discourage others from joining. I was never a top player but I was one of the guys who used to turn up and stick his cash into the pot for one of the top players to take home at the end of the weekend. As stated earlier, this is what 90% of the tour players do but I fear that you may find that players stay away as the value for money isn't great. There are other events out there which represent much better value for money for the average players and the prize fund is totally transparent. There's also no requirement for a hotel stay which again makes things more affordable. I fear that in the long term GB9 will see a decline in player numbers. I really hope this doesn't happen and that GB9 continues to go from strength to strength but you need to understand that if you don't look after the "lesser players" then you wont have a tour at all. I know the top players want more and more and that some have little or no respect for the lesser player but remember these words....don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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Benjamin
Home away from home Joined: 29-Mar-2006 Posts: 364
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Posted: 2012-09-28 13:50
On 2012-09-28 07:07 , dalevairy Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2012-09-27 23:27 , Benjamin Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2012-09-27 22:58 , njc147 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2012-09-27 13:33 , dalevairy Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! breath unique breathe
spread the prize money out and its a winner, fund the big hitters and its not
Definately agree with this. If gb9 could find a way to cut their costs and somehow pay prize money down to last 64 then at least the lesser players would have a realistic chance of covering some of their costs. Only the top 20% of players have a chance to break even or profit from the events. The rest are making the numbers up. If gb9 choose to keep prize money structure the same then i can't see how they will get anywhere near 128 players for next season. If they can't spread out the prize money then at least they should allow us to book hotel rooms at the hotel rate at the time, and not at gb9 "special" rip off price!!
Surely 100% of the players have 'the chance' to break even or or profit? And on the same note, why should 'lesser' players be rewarded for 'lesser' pool skills? It ain't a dole queue, it's sport!
utter rubbish bejimine!!! your not a daft lad so u should know that the majority of the your wont even make half the costs back over the season.
fees - 600 hotel 200(over 5 events) = 1000
quarters of the challenge pays what??100??? so that means even if get to all quarters in 5 events u only just make half the costs !!
reading the info about the tournits a great idea but defo top heavy and favouring the big hitters.
spreading the prize money out more is the way forward in my eyes. i mean if its such a great tour why does there have to be a massive chunk to the winner, surly the prestige of winning it would be enough My point was simply at the start of every tournament/season, every player has an equal chance to earn prize money. I don't think spreading the prize money further afield will increase entrants and give better value for money as there will always be people that don't cash in any given event. Where's their 'better value'? I'm with you all on the value for money issue though. I'm not playing because it's so expensive over the course of a year for what, as Stox points out, is a hobby. The chance to win £40 or whatever for losing a round earlier doesn't make it any more attractive to me.
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watchdog
Just popping in Joined: 28-Sep-2012 Posts: 15
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Posted: 2012-09-28 14:29
GB9 have no problems publicly asking players for £600. They have a problem if the players start asking questions publicly.
Something ain't right when that happens.
The truth always gets out though.
Keep asking questions.
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MrPerfect
Just popping in Joined: 28-Sep-2012 Posts: 4
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Posted: 2012-09-28 16:10
tbh questions never get answered, they just get brushed under the carpet
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unique
Home away from home Joined: 06-Sep-2009 Posts: 1917
From: South elmsall
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Posted: 2012-09-28 16:57
Hey guys,instead of making false accounts n slandering gb9,nothing's guna get answered on here as stated,if ye that interested come to the tour and ask questions or at least put you real name and speak with the committee in private about these matters,none if you probably play on the tour n just trying to ruin it for others,show some balls n show ye face
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dalevairy
Not too shy to talk Joined: 25-Sep-2012 Posts: 30
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Posted: 2012-09-28 16:57
Hi this is the real dale vairy, i have gone through these threads and cleared them all as some idiot managed to get hold of my log in details and post under my name.
good luck to the gb9 crew its been running 5 years now so you must be doing something right.
thanks
dale
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MrPerfect
Just popping in Joined: 28-Sep-2012 Posts: 4
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Posted: 2012-09-28 16:59
On 2012-09-28 16:57 , unique Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Hey guys,instead of making false accounts n slandering gb9,nothing's guna get answered on here as stated,if ye that interested come to the tour and ask questions or at least put you real name and speak with the committee in private about these matters,none if you probably play on the tour n just trying to ruin it for others,show some balls n show ye face lol
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watchdog
Just popping in Joined: 28-Sep-2012 Posts: 15
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Posted: 2012-09-28 17:31
It is FACTS we seek.
GB9 has nothing to worry about if it is transparent.No one can stop it's growth if it delivers good value for players.
Problems arise when questions are discouraged and transparency gets locked up.
GB9 published some FACTS which raised questions. They are reasonable questions.
GB9 can to choose to answer or disregard the questions. Time will tell which option proves successful for GB9.
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BFrench501
Home away from home Joined: 28-Mar-2010 Posts: 1598
From: Leicester
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Posted: 2012-09-28 17:46
Why did Pro9, BPPPA etc all fold?
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watchdog
Just popping in Joined: 28-Sep-2012 Posts: 15
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Posted: 2012-09-28 20:39
Facts:
Predator 9 Ball tour New York - US$24,000 Added to the prize fund.
Poison Tour Florida - US$10,000 added to the prize fund in just the finals.
GB9 Tour - Over £25,000 is deducted from the prize fund.
That's not slandering. That's FACTS.
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BigDave
Forum User Joined: 13-Mar-2006 Posts: 11008
From: England
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Posted: 2012-09-29 01:20
Apparently there's been some misbehaviour in this thread this evening... For a variety of reasons, MrPerfect and Dalevairy have had their forum posting privileges denied - so don't post expecting a reply from those accounts any time soon. -----------------  Authorised Pro9 forum advertiser/sponsor [ This message was edited by: BigDave on 2012-09-29 01:20 ]
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chirst147
Home away from home Joined: 28-Aug-2006 Posts: 630
From: Birmingham
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Posted: 2012-09-29 10:38
I am not going to divulge information on here regarding facts and figures, but I can assure you that a lot of time and effort has gone into deciding the entry fees and prize money structure.
Also, extensive time has gone into trying to keep costs down.
The main problem is sponsorship which would obviously mean extra revenue and therefore extra prize money to be paid out, but again the committee are always looking into this and spending their own time trying to gain sponsors.
I have had experience of these comments being made through clubs and associations I am an accountant for and the thing that amazes me is that everyone is quick to raise these points and criticise in many respects, but how many of you have put yourself forward to be on the committee? Very few I expect.
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chirst147
Home away from home Joined: 28-Aug-2006 Posts: 630
From: Birmingham
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Posted: 2012-09-29 10:43
Also mentioned is a comparison with BWPPA and the old tour, but neither of these used hotel venues or had their own tables. You get to play on top quality tables that very few clubs provide (certainly Rileys tables aren't of the same standard). Try comparing the structure to the Eurotour instead. Their top prize is 4,000 Euros I believe. Also, if the prize money was spread further down you'd get silly amounts like £10 paid to last 64 losers etc. And where would this come from? Last 32 or maybe the winner. I will be preparing the accounts for 2012 this week and will speak to Andy, Lee and Committee to see if they would be happy for me to answer emails from anyone regarding the figures. ----------------- Multiple winner of the Solihull Wednesday knockout competition. [ This message was edited by: chirst147 on 2012-09-29 10:44 ]
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tigger147
Home away from home Joined: 19-Jun-2007 Posts: 2605
From: liverpool
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Posted: 2012-09-29 12:00
Thats BPPPA not BWPPA guys !!
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-Dazza-
Home away from home Joined: 27-Jun-2007 Posts: 818
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Posted: 2012-09-29 16:58
Think some questions need to be answered on here!?!?!
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tigger147
Home away from home Joined: 19-Jun-2007 Posts: 2605
From: liverpool
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Posted: 2012-09-29 21:13
surely GB9 have already said that they will not answer GB9 questions on here.
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Soy_Cubano
Just popping in Joined: 29-Sep-2012 Posts: 2
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Posted: 2012-09-29 23:17
How is it right that GB9 use the Pro9 website to advertise the GB9 Ball Tour and try to recruit new members through Pro9 but then refuse to answer any of its members questions and concerns (or that of potential new members) on Pro9?
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