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The_Lunn
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Posted: 2011-11-24 17:50
On 2011-11-24 17:21 , laz1957 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! I think that if you want to put an end to any possible advantage then perhaps we should all pattern rack the same.
Would it be possible to come up with an agreed rack that works?
evan as simple as numbers across top > bottom:
-----1
----2-3
---4-9-5
----6-7
-----8
or clockwise around the rack:
-----1
----8-2
---7-9-3
----6-4
-----5
I'm sure there's a good reason why these are not good but because, personally, I have no interest in pattern racking as, imho, it is cheating whatever you call it, I don't know if these would be considered 'defensive' or 'offensive' racks etc.
I would suggest that an overtly defensive rack would not be an option, as it would impact the time matches take to play. Isn't that best option 2 at the back?
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deano155
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Posted: 2011-11-24 18:39
Loving this debate but don't really get it......
If someone takes the time to practice hard and perfect a break/rack that suits them and its not against the rules what's the issue?
You, me or anyone else who's the opponent has the right to do exactly the same in return.....
Before i get bombarded i don't pattern rack & do my best to put the balls as random as possible, however to call it 'cheating' when its not against the rules isn't right. You can't chastise someone for taking the time and effort to get something right.....however they choose to do it, if it's not breaking the rules.
If the 2 goes at the back 1/3rd of the balls are pattern racked and then where does it stop and what next.......the 8 must be in the second row! or you must always play from the left hand side and must always put top on the cue ball, everyone must use the same tips or weight cue when breaking. Surely as long as its not against the rules its down to personal preferences.
Racking each others balls would sort it, no one could then pattern rack and there would be no need for the 2 to be at the back either.
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Ads
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Posted: 2011-11-24 19:02
On 2011-11-24 18:39 , deano155 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!!
If someone takes the time to practice hard and perfect a break/rack that suits them and its not against the rules what's the issue?
The rules state that the 1 ball has to be at the front, the 9 in the middle and the other balls placed 'at random' in the rack. Therefore if somebody is putting balls in the same place all the time, it is against the rules. On 2011-11-24 18:39 , deano155 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!!
Racking each others balls would sort it, no one could then pattern rack and there would be no need for the 2 to be at the back either.
As previously mentioned on here, having your opponent rack the balls could lead to defensive pattern racking or dodgy racking where balls are not all touching.
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wildman147
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Posted: 2011-11-24 19:23
Is Game is totally doomed??? is this the end of 9ball???
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deano155
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Posted: 2011-11-24 19:25
Fair point pal. 2 at the back it is then! Lol
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BFrench501
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Posted: 2011-11-25 06:56
On 2011-11-24 12:30 , cueman Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2011-11-23 19:42 , BFrench501 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! I still think the idea that the player who lost last game should referee the next match holds some merit then its the same for both players!
That has got to be the craziest suggestion yet! Impractical on so many levels!
Why is it impractical? It is no harder than getting the loser of a previous match to chalk a game of darts??? That's what happens at every tournament whether its your local open or a PDC event! Yes the duration is generally about 30 minutes for a game of darts but even so... What happens if you decide refereeing a game of darts is beneath you and you don't do it? You aren't welcome back to any local comps or if you on PDC circuit you get heavily fined. Maybe it's a crazy idea but at least there are no racking disputes and no petty accusations of pattern racking! Other people have suggested 16 refs before and not copped flack for it. I suppose you think there is no mileage in Rack your own, using computer generated racks either? Yet a computer can't cheat and players wouldn't be able to throw accusations out there. [ This message was edited by: BFrench501 on 2011-11-25 07:05 ]
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gazhopkins
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Posted: 2011-11-25 08:40
what if the computer gets hacked baz?
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The-truth
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Posted: 2011-11-25 10:07
On 2011-11-24 19:23 , wildman147 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Is Game is totally doomed??? is this the end of 9ball??? The game of 9ball was already doomed. The rules are totally wrong for a professional sport, just ask any real sportsman or any real top professional pool player. All the top players seem to play in all these tournaments worldwide, playing rules they dont even like and more to the point probably dont gain any respect from the audience as it may be perceived as a big joke. Also another problem is all these tournaments are hard to follow as a fan with too many rankings to follow also, and most of the big events they play usually the best players are missing. I think there are only a select few tournaments throughout the year when you can honestly say they was all there (wpa ranking events) china open, world 8ball, world 9ball, world 10ball. the rest are pointless unless you are already a fan, but due to the poor organisation when they show up to these events the rules/draw is a shambles so u will never see a true reflection of whats going on. Is it about time the organisers and people around the world started to listen to the pros like they would do in major sports (in order to grow the game) rules played in tournaments magic rack easy break/ terrible to watch and anyone can do this random racking /which ends in cheating big pockets no call shot/ lucking balls in which looks terrible and helps the worst player. rules pros want to play tough break/ great to watch a top pro pop the cueball and stop it dead, very tough to do 2ball at the back/ no debate needed smaller pockets/ 4 and a quarter so the game can still be played but you have to be more accurate not just a good potter. call shot/ when i guy is under pressure and they luck a ball in it means the pressure is transferred onto the other player, as it should be them under the pressure of calling shots which would result in them not being able to do so as good as top players, The list goes on im afraid to say. so yes the game is/was doomed [ This message was edited by: The-truth on 2011-11-25 10:14 ]
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__alex__
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Posted: 2011-11-25 23:26
On 2011-11-24 19:23 , wildman147 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Is Game is totally doomed??? is this the end of 9ball??? lol, don't think it's doomed. imho this break situation is just taken too seriously. I think players will have to live with it, there are too many rules and variations about this anyway ... and this is making the game inconsistent and perfecting it hard. And in the end, look at the b&r stats ... ok there are some people like Imran that b&r >30% of their breaks, but let's be honest these players will do that regardless of the rules. The amateurs, which are 90% of the players, break and run less than 10% of the time (apart from 4-5), so it really doesn't make a big difference. Personally I prefer 10 ball and I'm really happy GB9 are running an event next year. Phil, let's do the next T9B a 10 ball event maybe ?  [ This message was edited by: __alex__ on 2011-11-25 23:43 ]
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The-truth
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Posted: 2011-11-26 09:29
ok alex so your saying 9ball is not doomed but you prefer 10ball hahahahhahahahahahhaha the whole point of this is that the way 9ball is played right now it is far too easy. and the likes of imran and other pros wouldnt run as many racks no [ This message was edited by: The-truth on 2011-11-26 09:30 ]
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GiantKiller
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Posted: 2011-11-26 10:13
If nine ball is such a bad game why does the majority of the pool playing world play it? And I'm sorry but it's far from easy, there is so much to learn with jumping, kicking, mastering this easy break. You could say all cue sports are easy when comparing and watching the top pro's, when a pro snooker player is in the balls they clear the table most of the the time. English pool players rarely miss when the table is open. All professional sports men/woman make there sport look easy to the rest of us mere mortals. Who are you The-truth if you don't mind me asking.? [ This message was edited by: BigDave on 2011-11-26 11:02 ]
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simmo77
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Posted: 2011-11-26 11:02
Just stop the bickering and put the Two at the back! - End of really....
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The-truth
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Posted: 2011-11-26 11:22
I'm not saying its a bad game. It's just bad with the rules it's played under. Ask any top pro and they will say the same. Il listen to the pro players and not anybody else.
All the challenge matches you see played are 10ball.
Why is this ?
The-truth
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Benjamin
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Posted: 2011-11-26 11:50
On 2011-11-26 11:22 , The-truth Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Il listen to the pro players and not anybody else.
Listening to the minority only, the second sign of madness.
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wildman147
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Posted: 2011-11-26 11:53
I was being sarcastic when i said 9ball is doomed, its a fantastic game in my opinion, exciting, fast paced that can swing on just one shot. I think 9ball is in a great position at the moment GB9 is going from strength to strength, MMTV is becoming so popular and gets people talking everyone wants a piece of the action and there are more one comps than ever. Alex 10 ball is coming to T9B in 2012. 2 at the back for me
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GiantKiller
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Posted: 2011-11-26 11:53
On 2011-11-26 11:50 , Benjamin Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2011-11-26 11:22 , The-truth Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Il listen to the pro players and not anybody else.
Listening to the minority only, the second sign of madness. We really need a "Like" button on this site.
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__alex__
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Posted: 2011-11-26 11:55
On 2011-11-26 09:29 , The-truth Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! ok alex so your saying 9ball is not doomed but you prefer 10ball
hahahahhahahahahahhaha
the whole point of this is that the way 9ball is played right now it is far too easy. and the likes of imran and other pros wouldnt run as many racks no Well that's my preference, in no way it means the game is doomed. I'm not saying I don't like 9 ball ... on the contrary this is the game I always played. And I don't see what's wrong with the pro's running racks, isn't that the main reason why they are pros and you and me aren't ?
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The-truth
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Posted: 2011-11-26 12:22
Ok then 9ball is in a great position. Hence why all the best players around the world think its a joke game
Would be nice to see some of there views on this game ?
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GiantKiller
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Posted: 2011-11-26 12:38
On 2011-11-26 12:22 , The-truth Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Ok then 9ball is in a great position. Hence why all the best players around the world think its a joke game
Would be nice to see some of there views on this game ? Sounds like you've already spoke to the worlds best and they've already told you it's a joke game?
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The-truth
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Posted: 2011-11-26 12:45
Well I do have inside info.
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