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The_Lunn
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Posted: 2011-11-21 20:43
Then if you rack each others you get the players puttin the 2 ball in the worst spot wherever that may be. Only 1 solution.
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gazhopkins
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Posted: 2011-11-21 20:54
rack for ur opponent best idea yet
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BFrench501
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Posted: 2011-11-21 21:41
Not true that all players who dont want 2 at back cheat...I rack them entirely at random I dont even look at the balls to see where they are going. I know what works and what doesn't but I still rack fairly and expect opponent to be courteous enough to do the same.
That said, I thought the official GB9 rule was to rack each others anyway?
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Anything-with-a-cue
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Posted: 2011-11-21 22:27
rack your opponents take everything out of it, if people are putting the 2 at the back what stops then pattern racking the rest its not impossible im sure
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gazhopkins
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Posted: 2011-11-21 22:41
should break from middle of table n just blast the twats
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NathanDuMoulin
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Posted: 2011-11-21 22:46
On 2011-11-21 15:23 , Benjamin Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Interesting that the RunOut Media DVD product advertised on the front page actively promotes the use of pattern racking, unless I'm reading it wrong??? The DVD doesn't promote pattern racking. It merely gives the viewer the understanding of how the balls react after the break, the associated trajectories, common layouts, etc. Whether the player uses the information for person gain, or to protect themselves from a competitor who pattern racks, the DVD leaves the viewer to decide. In addition, it's important to understand that not all tournaments have rules against pattern racking. As such, if it's allowed, then a player should use their knowledge to their advantage. The subject is somewhat controversial, but the fundamental understanding of the concept is important information that every advanced player should know. The DVD addresses this. Hope that helps.  -----------------  Authorised Pro9 forum advertiser √
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Machine1
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Posted: 2011-11-22 09:03
On 2011-11-21 20:54 , gazhopkins Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! rack for ur opponent best idea yet Not really as there be loose racking, twisting the rackall sort of shenanigans !! Dvali ha a book on dodgy racking
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Machine1
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Posted: 2011-11-22 09:12
With the 2 at the back the chance of perfecting a break, ie breaking from the exact spot with the exact power hitting the exact contact point is praticlly impossible
2 at the back is the future, seems to be there more sneaky players around than I once thought. I had to call a ref in my match agsinst 1 site used not mentioning no names as don't want to embarrass him (lee speight) for pattern racking.
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BFrench501
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Posted: 2011-11-22 21:03
On 2011-11-22 09:03 , Machine1 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2011-11-21 20:54 , gazhopkins Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! rack for ur opponent best idea yet
Not really as there be loose racking, twisting the rackall sort of shenanigans !!
Dvali ha a book on dodgy racking
Can't you just check the rack before breaking? Don't understand how you can get loose racks if using a magic rack anyway? I'd love it if it was magic rack break from centre spot of headstring only. And 1 racked high. That is a tough break and a tough game...
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rc
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Posted: 2011-11-22 21:36
a ref for all 16 tables...........prize money for the winner to be slightly reduced to £3.50 for the winner, what do you all reckon?
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SHOTGUN
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Posted: 2011-11-22 22:39
2 at back, rack your own. people still dont rack the balls right even with a tapping mat, not always on purpose nbut just cos they not paying attention whilst racking..
so long as i can touch the rack after my opponent has attempted to rack the balls, no issues.
it kinda says it all that the players prefer to rack their own even in the finals - thats no disrespect to any officials - its just that the top players appreciate how important it is to get it right, it can basically be the difference between winning and losing....
I have played plenty of people on tour who just take the break for granted when racking the balls - assuming that the magic rack will make them tight, then wonder why they are not making 3 points?
anyway - 2 ball at back, rack your own.
Oz
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gazhopkins
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Posted: 2011-11-22 22:50
well let ur opponent put the pattern out for u then actually rack the pattern yourself so no loose balls etc. there problem solved so every1 stop crying
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BFrench501
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Posted: 2011-11-23 03:23
On 2011-11-22 22:50 , gazhopkins Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! well let ur opponent put the pattern out for u then actually rack the pattern yourself so no loose balls etc. there problem solved so every1 stop crying But then there are defensive patterns for opponents to place you in that are worse for you. Computer generated patterns are the future...make it random then no arguments at all. A new excuse for the losers "I lost because the Computer gave me a bad pattern" 
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GiantKiller
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Posted: 2011-11-23 09:26
On 2011-11-23 03:23 , BFrench501 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2011-11-22 22:50 , gazhopkins Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! well let ur opponent put the pattern out for u then actually rack the pattern yourself so no loose balls etc. there problem solved so every1 stop crying
But then there are defensive patterns for opponents to place you in that are worse for you.
Computer generated patterns are the future...make it random then no arguments at all. A new excuse for the losers "I lost because the Computer gave me a bad pattern" With the awesome new set up at gb9 you could probably do that?
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ashawthing
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Posted: 2011-11-23 11:25
Yeh 2 at the back and rack your own. Other than that just keep an eye on you're opponent to make sure he's not putting the rest of the balls in the same place. If you think he is then say something to him, simple [ This message was edited by: ashawthing on 2011-11-23 11:25 ]
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zorro
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Posted: 2011-11-23 15:38
2ball at the back in all 9 ball should be a rule
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BFrench501
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Posted: 2011-11-23 19:42
I still think the idea that the player who lost last game should referee the next match holds some merit then its the same for both players!
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cueman
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Posted: 2011-11-24 12:30
On 2011-11-23 19:42 , BFrench501 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! I still think the idea that the player who lost last game should referee the next match holds some merit then its the same for both players! That has got to be the craziest suggestion yet! Impractical on so many levels! -----------------  Andy Warden, GB9 - Authorised Pro9 forum advertiser/sponsor √
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Riggers
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Posted: 2011-11-24 15:08
On 2011-11-24 12:30 , cueman Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2011-11-23 19:42 , BFrench501 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! I still think the idea that the player who lost last game should referee the next match holds some merit then its the same for both players!
That has got to be the craziest suggestion yet! Impractical on so many levels!
Leave him alone Andy. Bazza is the main source of entertainment on here
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laz1957
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Posted: 2011-11-24 17:21
I think that if you want to put an end to any possible advantage then perhaps we should all pattern rack the same. Would it be possible to come up with an agreed rack that works? evan as simple as numbers across top > bottom: -----1 ----2-3 ---4-9-5 ----6-7 -----8 or clockwise around the rack: -----1 ----8-2 ---7-9-3 ----6-4 -----5 I'm sure there's a good reason why these are not good but because, personally, I have no interest in pattern racking as, imho, it is cheating whatever you call it, I don't know if these would be considered 'defensive' or 'offensive' racks etc. I would suggest that an overtly defensive rack would not be an option, as it would impact the time matches take to play. [ This message was edited by: laz1957 on 2011-11-24 17:34 ]
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