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contrakid
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From: Bournemouth
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Posted: 2010-03-15 12:50
Any results yet anyone?
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cd
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Joined: 23-Jul-2008
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From: Hemsworth
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Posted: 2010-03-15 13:03
martin chapman beat andy worthington in the 1st round 8-3
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cueman
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Posts: 1423
From: Coventry
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Posted: 2010-03-15 14:46
Paul Williams, Matt Hyden, Chris Melling & Karl Boyes through on winners side
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G
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Joined: 23-Jun-2008
Posts: 115
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Posted: 2010-03-15 19:04
Smith looked like he would pkayingcwilliams in one semi. Winner of valentine and boyes would play melling in other
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tonyponty
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Joined: 15-Apr-2008
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From: yorkshire
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Posted: 2010-03-15 22:13
congrats to karl boyes winning the qualifier well deserved as it was a shock he wasnt invited automatically
he beat melling in sf and williams in final
also he beat osbounre ,smith and valentine along the way so he was dealt the bad hand but come through it
roll on vegas
Dynamite ...
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macca_big_dish
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Joined: 09-Mar-2010
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Posted: 2010-03-16 12:22
well done boyzi
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WORTHY
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Joined: 08-Jan-2007
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From: cheshire
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Posted: 2010-03-17 15:35
Well done Boyzi from a tough part of the draw. In the next qualifier at blackpool i think Andy and Jonathan need to look at prize structure for the event. I really think that the runner up and maybe even the semi finalists should recieve some prize money. I know the money raised by these events go back into gb9 to subsidise the tour but i think £1500 profit from the event is a bit extreme. Maybe £300 for the runner up and £150 for the semis would be a bit fairer. Gb9 would still make £900 from the event providing there are 32 runners which i think there will be.Paul Williams played 6 tough matches and didnt leave buxton till 10pm on monday but he recieved nothing. I am sure that all the players in these events would prefer the runner up and the semi finalists to be paid. I have entered the Blackpool qualifier but may not play in it unless the prize structure is changed as its not just the £90 entry fee but will have to stay another night in the hotel at £80 and maybe have to take a day off work. The event could cost players around £250 to play in. Im not having a go at anyone but just letting you know how most of the players who entered this event felt. Andy Worthington
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cueman
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From: Coventry
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Posted: 2010-03-17 16:08
I understand where you are coming from Andy but at the moment the tour needs all the money it can get, if e are successful in securing a major financial sponsor in the near future (that we are working very hard on behind the scenes) then things would be different but at the moment there are other costs associated with staying an extra day in the hotels function rooms and also to pay for referee fees etc. I wish we did make £1500 from the events but the truth is we don't.
Perhaps we should hold it in a pool club on lower standard equipment, using fewer tables so we have to play until the early hours and without a referee?
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ArfanDad
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Joined: 27-May-2007
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From: Keighley
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Posted: 2010-03-17 16:13
That's crazy, I totally agree with andy in that there should be some prize money given to the runners up and semi finalists. I was contemplating entering the Blackpool qualifier myself but that's completely put me off. ----------------- Regards
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WORTHY
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Joined: 08-Jan-2007
Posts: 59
From: cheshire
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Posted: 2010-03-17 16:28
I know that gb9 needs all the money that it can get at the moment but i dont think its fair to take so much out of these events when there are under a 1/4 of the players paying in to the qualifier.As i said in my 1st post it will cost most of the players around £250 to enter the next event at Blackpool with hotel and loss of earnings etc so i think it would be a nice gesture to pay prize money from the semis onwards. To play all day possibly 6 or 7 matches and then walk away with nothing is a bit demoralising. Like i said before im not having a go at anyone but gb9 is supposed to be a tour for the players and i really think that this is what the players want.
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nicknameless
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Joined: 10-Jan-2007
Posts: 560
From: Birmingham
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Posted: 2010-03-17 16:57
Agree on the face of it it doesn't look good does it? But let's do some maths; 32 x £90 entry = £2880 £1200 (estimated to cover winners costs) £250 (covering referee / TD costs) £390 (covering hotel costs of the number of people who were involved in the tourny breakdown in buxton inc SAM fitters, plus ref / TD, all of whom will have to stay over an extra night) £xxx fee associated with the WPM spot £xxx additional costs Last 2 figures i won't divulge in public as it's not my business to. Where's our £1500 profit in that for Blackpool? If we don't get a full field there's actually a very good chance that we'll be in the red for the event. This thread's actually starting to convince me that we should actually go home a day early and save our annual leave and own loss of earnings. Simpler for all concerned. We have made a small profit on the Buxton event, all of which is being ploughed back into the tour and is a crucial part of our financial viability this year. But you're right it might not be viable to run a WPM event in Blackpool, and would be a lot simpler for us if we didn't. Cheers, Jonathan. [ This message was edited by: nicknameless on 2010-03-17 17:01 ]
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cd
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From: Hemsworth
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Posted: 2010-03-17 17:16
90 x 32 = 2880 flight = 570 tops week in the riviera = 400 tops entry to the event = 500 leaves 1410 as reguards to worthys post 100% mate, this it the reason why i pulled out of the event because it would have cost me min 250 to play. i also reiterated this to mr warden when i was offered a place at buxton. seems a little on the strange side when all other qualifiers, mbo, eurotour etc all paying out 2nd and semis, gb9 could have paid 2nd 400, and semis 200 each and still banked min 700. we all understand that gb9 needs money behind them till a major sponser gets involved but i seem to thing mot paying other than 1st and banking the rest is a little harsh this is the reason im sceptical about entering the blackpool qualifier as i think a few players will be. ----------------- Craig " THE REAL DEAL " Dixon [ This message was edited by: cd on 2010-03-17 17:19 ]
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WORTHY
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From: cheshire
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Posted: 2010-03-17 17:22
The hotel costs in vegas for one week is $560 which is £380 and the flights are £570 so the cost of flight and hotel is £920 the cost of entry fee is £500 = £1420
I do not think we need a referee at these events as there are enough players to oversee any close calls. Perhaps it would be an idea to play the qualifier on sunday afternoon and change the format slightly so only 1st round is double elim.This would lower the costs for the players and gb9 and enable prize money for semis onwards.
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cueman
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From: Coventry
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Posted: 2010-03-17 17:23
cd u seem to have just selected a few of the costs in the breakdown there for some reason? I don't think the MBO event etc. were played in a hotel venue with all the associated costs was it?
As Jonathan says maybe it isn't viable to run this at Blackpool and I, as well as everyone else involved in the breakdown, won't have to stay over an extra night and lose a day off work.
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maximumbreak
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Joined: 13-Aug-2006
Posts: 146
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Posted: 2010-03-17 17:25
Surely this small profit you realised can't be that crucial to the tours financial viability...you've just paid out a £1,500 bonus to two of the tours stakeholders!?
It would seem that the poor old amateur and all committee members came out at the bottom of the stakeholder analysis.
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cueman
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Posted: 2010-03-17 17:29
On 2010-03-17 17:22 , WORTHY Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! The hotel costs in vegas for one week is $560 which is £380 and the flights are £570 so the cost of flight and hotel is £920 the cost of entry fee is £500 = £1420
I do not think we need a referee at these events as there are enough players to oversee any close calls. Perhaps it would be an idea to play the qualifier on sunday afternoon and change the format slightly so only 1st round is double elim.This would lower the costs for the players and gb9 and enable prize money for semis onwards. We wouldn't have 8 tables available until at least 2:30 on the Sunday which would require 2 sets of matches in the first round if there were 32 entrants. Even then it would be the middle of the night before it finished and then we are under contract with the hotel to clear the rooms of all tables and lights etc. by 6am Monday morning. This would also mean we wouldn't have the plate comp which was very popular in Buxton with 31 entrants. -----------------  Andy Warden, GB9 - Authorised Pro9 forum advertiser/sponsor √
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cd
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From: Hemsworth
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Posted: 2010-03-17 17:32
On 2010-03-17 17:22 , WORTHY Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! The hotel costs in vegas for one week is $560 which is £380 and the flights are £570 so the cost of flight and hotel is £920 the cost of entry fee is £500 = £1420
I do not think we need a referee at these events as there are enough players to oversee any close calls. Perhaps it would be an idea to play the qualifier on sunday afternoon and change the format slightly so only 1st round is double elim.This would lower the costs for the players and gb9 and enable prize money for semis onwards. if it was mels apprentice he didnt know the rules anyway wht not sack the plate off for blackpool and hold the qualifier instead ----------------- Craig " THE REAL DEAL " Dixon
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nicknameless
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From: Birmingham
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Posted: 2010-03-17 17:35
On 2010-03-17 17:25 , maximumbreak Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Surely this small profit you realised can't be that crucial to the tours financial viability...you've just paid out a £1,500 bonus to two of the tours stakeholders!?
It would seem that the poor old amateur and all committee members came out at the bottom of the stakeholder analysis. Maybe that's not far off the mark. As a committee we debated long and hard about the bonus to the top 2 players. We really felt it was unfair to penalise mark and daryl where players in the same position in the first 2 years had received a reward we'd advertised from the start for those achievements. Anyway, out of here for now as trying to catch up on work for a change!!
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cd
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Posted: 2010-03-17 17:37
On 2010-03-17 17:25 , maximumbreak Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Surely this small profit you realised can't be that crucial to the tours financial viability...you've just paid out a £1,500 bonus to two of the tours stakeholders!?
It would seem that the poor old amateur and all committee members came out at the bottom of the stakeholder analysis. oh the boys good !!!!!!!!!! ----------------- Craig " THE REAL DEAL " Dixon
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cueman
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Posted: 2010-03-17 17:37
cd.. ok so u want us to make the WPM qualifier the same format as the plate so that we can run it in the same time slot? Fine so you are quite happy to pay £90 entry for a straight ko comp race to 5. let's do that then. ----------------- Andy Warden, GB9 - Authorised Pro9 forum advertiser/sponsor √ [ This message was edited by: cueman on 2010-03-17 17:38 ]
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