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nicknameless 
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Posted: 2009-05-23 00:27
What purple ball?
Shaft for sale (some slight redding). [ This message was edited by: nicknameless on 2009-05-23 00:30 ]  Profile
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SkyBlueJim 
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Posted: 2009-05-23 00:50
On 2009-05-23 00:27 , nicknameless Wrote:
!!! QUOTE !!! What purple ball? The 4 ball on a club set of balls would be purple. Profile
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Snapool 
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Posted: 2009-05-23 10:14
I Think its clear that most players would rather play on a wierd colour cloth in good condition rather than shoddy equipment. I was chatting to a player on Wed night who said something very valid. If clubs are going to use sponsored cloths thats fine but its keeping them in good condition that is key and not just letting the condition slip to the point were decent players start to drifft away from the club.
I think its blatently obvious that over the years Clubs have not paid as much attention to the condition of the tables on a regular basis as they should. Its not difficult to clean the tables every day and do small repairs to pockets, tighten cushions and a bit of leveling. The tables are The Key to the bussines and in my opinion should be very high up on the clubs list of prioritys when it comes to maintainence .These simple things help to increase the enjoyment for everydody serious and non serious players alike. If the cloths are sponsored and they get changed once every 6 to a year for free and the club look after them it seems clear to me that everydody will allways have decent tables to play on. which is a pretty good compramise I think. Players will allways go to a club that has good equipment and a certain level of comitment should form between the club and the players. However this comitment HAS to start with the club as we are the paying customers.  [ This message was edited by: Snapool on 2009-05-23 10:21 ] Profile
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Riggers 
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Posted: 2009-05-23 11:18
There will always be a selection of customers that couldn't give a stuff about the quality of the tables but aside from that I wholeheartedly agree with you Snapool. I know Rileys do too (thanks to Howard), which is why, though obviously a little concerned about how the serious players will react, I said this could be really good news for GB9 if it raises the standard of table conditions.
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laz1957
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Posted: 2009-05-23 16:13
Just a quick comment about seeing the edge of the ball.
I have dificulty with the 4 ball on purple cloth, which is why I forked out for a 'pro' set to eliminate the problem. The closer the shade of the cloth is to a pariculer ball will make it harder to see, which is the case with Rileys purple and Jack Daniels black cloths. The brand colour for Coke seems to me to a fairly similar shade to the 3 ball, so the same problem here possibly. However most of this is eliminated by properly lit tables, which is not the case in some clubs I have been to. IMHO the green in snooker has a greater shade differential to the cloth than in the above scenarios and, coupled with more consistant lighting on snooker tables, isn't as big a prolem. Perhaps we will need a pink 3 ball in future and make the 4 ball purple again?  Profile
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InsideEnglish
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Posted: 2009-05-23 18:18
But what if the sponsors want pink cloth
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Riggers
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Posted: 2009-05-23 18:39
On 2009-05-23 16:13 , laz1957 Wrote:
!!! QUOTE !!! Just a quick comment about seeing the edge of the ball. I think this is very fair comment. However, of course it's only an issue for better players so for the majority it really doesn't matter. The GB9 event next weekend will be at what many people regard as one of the best Rileys venues in the country and they have dark blue cloth. This too is not everyone's favourite colour due to the similarity to the 2 ball but I haven't noticed anyone say the facilities are not good enough for a tour event, have you? Profile
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Ads 
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Posted: 2009-05-24 20:09
On 2009-05-23 16:13 , laz1957 Wrote:
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The whole reason that the 4 was changed to the pink was not anything to do with the tables or cloth colour, it was simply made as a TV set as the purple of the 4/12 looked on tv very similar to the maroon of the 7/15 ball. They changed the purple 4/12 to pink and if you notice, the maroon of the 7.15 are now more of a brown. To be honest its not going to please everybody but it seems as though the majority of the players on here agree that it woul dbe better to play on a decent cloth that is red than a worn/torn cloth that is purple. Profile
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ghost121
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Posted: 2009-05-24 20:43
Cloth colour isn't the real issue. Sponsorship logo size and chalk colour is.
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simmo77
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Posted: 2009-05-24 21:08
This might sound daft but when they have been putting these new cloths on they are still doing the cushions and levelling the tables aswell aren't they?
If they are then bring it on and you can put a yellow stripe down the middle for all i care.... Profile
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RACKRUNNER21
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Posted: 2009-05-24 21:42
My opinion is that if the tables are maintainted and sorted out then i don't care what colour they are or whats put on them, but i get the feeling that they will re-cloth and sort the tables out and then they will go back to how they were before after a while i cant see them maintaining them for a long period and it will go back to how they are now, unlevel, dodgy custions and worn cloth after about a year.
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thecardman 
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Posted: 2009-05-25 00:59
If you don't like red cloths, then stay well clear of Styx in Kirkcaldy! Red cloth on the bed of the table with blue rails or vice versa. SAPPA have held the Scottish Championships there every year since we started back in 2000 and nobody has any problems with the cloth colour.
If you have that much of a problem with the cloth colour, why don't you have a word with the manager of the club and see if you (and maybe your practice friends) can buy some Z9 Cloth from the Pro9 shop and have that fitted on a table instead? Regarding the red chalk issue, then, again, I'd have a word with the manager of the club regarding your views on this. Why not go through the posts of the likes of Riggers or Snapool who have some very valid points. Just my thoughts. Best wishes thecardman (who practices in a club (non-Riley's) where the cloth hasn't been changed in at least 18 months!)  Edit - typed "red cloth" instead of "red chalk" at the start of the 3rd paragraph. Changed now. ----------------- The SAPPA Website The Cardman's Blog [ This message was edited by: thecardman on 2009-05-25 12:38 ] Profile
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Shooter 
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Posted: 2009-05-25 11:48
On 2009-05-24 20:43 , ghost121 Wrote:
!!! QUOTE !!! Cloth colour isn't the real issue. Sponsorship logo size and chalk colour is. Here, Here! As long as it's not Black! -----------------  Profile
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cowie 
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Posted: 2009-05-25 16:36
On 2009-05-25 00:59 , thecardman Wrote:
!!! QUOTE !!! If you don't like red cloths, then stay well clear of Styx in Kirkcaldy! Red cloth on the bed of the table with blue rails or vice versa. SAPPA have held the Scottish Championships there every year since we started back in 2000 and nobody has any problems with the cloth colour. To date, My only SAPPA victory was in STYX Kircaldy!! I hereby campaign for every club to have red cloth and blue cushions ----------------- The kangaroo Profile
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BigDave 
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Posted: 2009-05-26 13:12 This is the only photo we have at the moment. Not great, but at least you can see the configuration and relative size of the logo. If anyone can get a better photo for us it would be appreciated, just email it to me at the usual address. -----------------  www.TheProShop.biz [ This message was edited by: BigDave on 2009-05-26 13:12 ] Profile
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Pool-Ace
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Posted: 2009-05-26 15:29
What's all the fuss about? That doesn't look too bad. Just be thankful there not trying to promote their coke zero drink.
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simmo77
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Posted: 2009-05-26 15:37
That looks ok actually, come on guys someone get another photo for Dave?
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MachineGun
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Posted: 2009-05-26 16:56
How difficult is it to clean the green / blue chalk off a red cloth? Does it stain or can you simply brush it off? It doesn't seem like a major problem for clubs with multicoloured tables!
Other clubs don't put the restriction on what chalk you can use so I don't see why this one does. Plus, if they're going to be recovered on a regular basis, does it really matter if there are chalk marks? I don't understand why the cloth has to be branded at all. There are other parts of the table (don't forget the lights too!) that could be used. Profile
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Ads
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Posted: 2009-05-26 17:28
to be fair though if Coke have requested that they want the cloth branded and they wouldn't have accepted anything else then you can't really argue with that.
Also, chalk can be brushed off quite easily i agree, but to say what is the harm if the tables will be reclothed regularly anyway, my reply to that is even if my house table was re-clothed every week i would still look after it to keep it in as good a condition as i could. Rileys or Coke dont have money rolling out of their ears so they will want the cloths to last as long as possible so as to prevent having to spend money that could well go towards other parts of the table, IE lighting, pockets ect Profile
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thecyclone
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Posted: 2009-05-26 20:30
the colour of the cloth is not a problem... black is the hardest if you put the white lines on the edge of the pockets its ok..
the embosed logos are however a big problem as the side and spin changes as it goes over the logo.. i played in good old Doug Flash Gordons tour and watched a player avoid the logo with phenominal possitioning as it was a bad embossing, i will not be that good and hate all logos! whats wrong with the side of the table for adverts to read as we fall down? for pizza and taxis? and coke can put an ashtray in the middle if the tables were like the eurotour ones! Clone ----------------- Im the best and even if you beat me im still the best [ This message was edited by: thecyclone on 2009-05-26 20:33 ] Profile
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